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RATINGS: 301   WEIGHTED AVG: 3.89   SEASONAL: Special   EST. CALORIES: 336   ABV: 11.2%
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High gravity black ale brewed with Ty Ty honey, copious amounts of hops and aged on toasted Spanish Cedar. Part 1 of a 4 beer collaboration between Cigar City, Hill Farmstead, and Grassroots. A note from Joey Redner: "The beers are basically black IPA’s brewed with lots of Citra, Mt. Rainier and Simcoe along with Ty Ty honey from North Florida aged on medium toast Spanish Cedar. There are different hop additions in the Hill Farmstead/Grassroots version (Or) and the 2-row base malt in the CCB version (Either) is replaced with Pilsner malt in the Vermont/Denmark version (Or). There are also some process differences which is one of the purposes of a collaboration; allowing breweries to learn from each other. The goal was to make two beers that were alike, but slightly different due to preferences in regional approach and access to ingredients. The four beers in this collaborative series will be named: Either, Or, Neither and Nor. Either and Or will release first and the other two will follow. Both Either and Or were brewed at CCB, but Neither and Nor will be brewed as single batches in both Vermont and Denmark.


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4.2
   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 5/5   OVERALL 17/20
Zinister (1423) - Houston, Texas, USA - JAN 18, 2012
Wonderful deep chocolate notes out of the bottle, and spicy-piney hops as well. Smell luscious. Thin mocha head that disappears quickly. Mouthfeel is velvety and covering. Flavors as just amazing...spicy wood, dark mocha, chocolate, sweet honey and whole hop flavors. A bit of heat near the end, but this is a beer I really enjoy.


4.1
   AROMA 9/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 16/20
slowrunner77 (6084) - Reno, Nevada, USA - SEP 27, 2014
interesting beer...alternating between a bittersweet imperial stout, strong hoppy black ale, and something else entirely. the finish seals the deal (after the roasted, bitter chocolate, honey taste up front) you get obvious cedar in the finish. unique for sure."

3.7
   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 5/5   TASTE 7/10   PALATE 2/5   OVERALL 15/20
Alengrin (2431) - BELGIUM - AUG 10, 2014
Honey-flavored and oak-aged, but otherwise very typical black IPA, the first beer in a series of four in which three breweries participate. Highly hopped with Mt. Rainier, Citra and Simcoe. Beige, creamy, sticky head, colour very opaque brown, near black. Aroma of coffee, grapefruit, mango, leather, bitter honey, cedar wood, liquorice. Soft dry taste, smooth and supple without the oily texture that would typify a heavy stout, spicy, woody, roasted bitterness increasing towards the finish, complex and very, very dry in the end. I bet this would make an excellent companion for a good cigar.

3.9
   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 3/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 3/5   OVERALL 17/20
Sparky (2243) - Phoenix, Arizona, USA - JUL 31, 2014
Boltz with the share. Can from Boltz. Pours black with thin tan head. The nose is fruiter than OR with dark fruits, roast, hops. The taste is dark fruits, cocoa, coffee and grapefruit. Medium mouthfeel. I like this one slightly better than OR. It seemed more complex. 3.9

3.9
   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 7/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 17/20
bhensonb (11509) - Woodland, California, USA - MAR 18, 2014
Bottle shared by oRos. Pours very dark brown with no head. Aroma is hoppy. Med body. Flavor is dark malt, herbal hop, some chocolate. Finishes dry and earthy. Quite tasty.

3.9
   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 3/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 17/20
marcus (6773) - Sacramento, California, USA - MAR 17, 2014
Bottle shared by oRos. Pours dark brown with a tiny tan head and a chocolate and treacle aroma. There is a very tasty dark chocolate flavor with a bitter finish.

4
   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 17/20
oRos (1200) - sacramento, California, USA - MAR 17, 2014
Bottle from Ibrew2or3. Pours black with brownish head. Taste is chocolate, roasted malts, earthy hops and dry finish.

3.8
   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 3/5   OVERALL 15/20
jkwood04 (4155) - Connecticut, USA - FEB 20, 2014
12oz bottle thanks to Glouglouburp in a tulip. Pours black with a beige head. Aroma of roasted malts, some sweetness from the honey, a little chocolate, light wood, and some floral and lightly citrusy hops. Flavor the same. Average to smooth texture. A pretty good beer.

3.5
   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 6/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 14/20
DrSilverworm (6943) - Cincinnati, Ohio, USA - NOV 10, 2013
12oz bottle, thanks to FlandersNed. Cap is marked "1-11". Black color. Good thin brown head. Short ropes and dots of lace, a nice good spread. Nice honey to the aroma, good dark roast, light burnt malts. Good light smoke. Moderate to bigger bitter taste, big sweet, light bite in the finish. Nice spice and wood notes. Earthy hop bitterness. Bigger body, kind of chewy. Smooth, lighter carbonation. Lightly drying finish. As it is now, decent big black IPA. Malty sweetness in the finish is a bit much, but I very much like the honey and wood notes.

3.9
   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 3/5   OVERALL 16/20
Leighton (11860) - London, Greater London, ENGLAND - SEP 22, 2013
Bottle shared at the Theydon Bois Roma Pre-Nuptuals Tasting at Ma Che. Pours dark brown-black with a fine, frothy cream head. Some spicy pine in the nose, burnt toast, earth, faint grapefruit. Medium sweet flavor with mellow dry and burnt wood, dark chocolate, baking cocoa, some piney bitterness, alcohol, grass. Full bodied with fine to average carbonation. Moderate warmth to finish with burnt grass, baking cocoa, straight dirt, pine, lime and grapefruit. Some spicy cedar, too. Hefty, nice.

3.8
   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 15/20
Theydon_Bois (9915) - The ’Sham, Surrey, ENGLAND - JUN 24, 2013
Bottle, Theydon Bois Roma Pre-Nuptuals Tasting at Ma Che, 22/06/13. Thanks to Leighton for hunting down another Black IPA rate in Roma! Dark black with a thin off white head that dissipates to a film. Nose is dark roast, bitter chocolate, earthy hops, touch of booze. Taste comprises a good roast dose, bitter hops, dark toffee, fruit notes, booze, sugars. Full bodied, fine carbonation, dark fruit and hop bitterness in a roasted finish. A fairly big beer - a DCDA ! Lots going on and pulls together well!


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