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RATINGS: 298   WEIGHTED AVG: 3.89   SEASONAL: Special   EST. CALORIES: 336   ABV: 11.2%
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High gravity black ale brewed with Ty Ty honey, copious amounts of hops and aged on toasted Spanish Cedar. Part 1 of a 4 beer collaboration between Cigar City, Hill Farmstead, and Grassroots. A note from Joey Redner: "The beers are basically black IPA’s brewed with lots of Citra, Mt. Rainier and Simcoe along with Ty Ty honey from North Florida aged on medium toast Spanish Cedar. There are different hop additions in the Hill Farmstead/Grassroots version (Or) and the 2-row base malt in the CCB version (Either) is replaced with Pilsner malt in the Vermont/Denmark version (Or). There are also some process differences which is one of the purposes of a collaboration; allowing breweries to learn from each other. The goal was to make two beers that were alike, but slightly different due to preferences in regional approach and access to ingredients. The four beers in this collaborative series will be named: Either, Or, Neither and Nor. Either and Or will release first and the other two will follow. Both Either and Or were brewed at CCB, but Neither and Nor will be brewed as single batches in both Vermont and Denmark.


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3.7
   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 7/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 15/20
SSKD814 (854) - Pennsylvania, USA - FEB 23, 2011
Huge thanks to Jefe73 for sending this my way! A- Body is a dark, aboding motor oil black hue. Pours with a 1-2 finger creamy dark tan head. Honestly-this brew has big imperal stout written all over it in the appearance- Lacing left all the way down the glass. S- The nose is very interesting and quite contrasting. Imperial coffee stout meets DIPA-lots of grapefruit, citrus, roasted malt, the smallest hint of wood, dark chocolate, and a hint of alcohol. T- Smooth creamy dark chocolate and woody flavors highlight (somewhat) upfront, minimal honey and cedar-accents of citrus above this. The finish is much more stout than IPA as well-with roasted malt and smooth dark chocolate and a hint of wood/honey coming through. What lingers is crazy moderate to strong hop bitterness and a hint of roasted malt bitterness-actually its hard to tell the difference between the battling bitterness M- Medium to high carbonation. Moderate to heavy weight sticky, oily body. The hop oils mix in well here. D-This is probably the most complex black ale I have had yet. The hop/malt contrast here is huge (and weird of course-but thats just the style). Overall this is good-but a little bitter for my tastes. Mouthfeel is phenomenal. THIS makes me look forward to some Hill Farmstead Serving type: bottle


3.9
   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 7/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 17/20
bhensonb (10699) - Woodland, California, USA - MAR 18, 2014
Bottle shared by oRos. Pours very dark brown with no head. Aroma is hoppy. Med body. Flavor is dark malt, herbal hop, some chocolate. Finishes dry and earthy. Quite tasty.

3.9
   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 3/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 17/20
marcus (6318) - Sacramento, California, USA - MAR 17, 2014
Bottle shared by oRos. Pours dark brown with a tiny tan head and a chocolate and treacle aroma. There is a very tasty dark chocolate flavor with a bitter finish.

4
   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 17/20
oRos (1047) - sacramento, California, USA - MAR 17, 2014
Bottle from Ibrew2or3. Pours black with brownish head. Taste is chocolate, roasted malts, earthy hops and dry finish.

3.8
   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 3/5   OVERALL 15/20
jkwood04 (3748) - Connecticut, USA - FEB 20, 2014
12oz bottle thanks to Glouglouburp in a tulip. Pours black with a beige head. Aroma of roasted malts, some sweetness from the honey, a little chocolate, light wood, and some floral and lightly citrusy hops. Flavor the same. Average to smooth texture. A pretty good beer.

3.5
   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 6/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 14/20
DrSilverworm (5917) - Cincinnati, Ohio, USA - NOV 10, 2013
12oz bottle, thanks to FlandersNed. Cap is marked "1-11". Black color. Good thin brown head. Short ropes and dots of lace, a nice good spread. Nice honey to the aroma, good dark roast, light burnt malts. Good light smoke. Moderate to bigger bitter taste, big sweet, light bite in the finish. Nice spice and wood notes. Earthy hop bitterness. Bigger body, kind of chewy. Smooth, lighter carbonation. Lightly drying finish. As it is now, decent big black IPA. Malty sweetness in the finish is a bit much, but I very much like the honey and wood notes.

3.9
   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 3/5   OVERALL 16/20
Leighton (10466) - London, Greater London, ENGLAND - SEP 22, 2013
Bottle shared at the Theydon Bois Roma Pre-Nuptuals Tasting at Ma Che. Pours dark brown-black with a fine, frothy cream head. Some spicy pine in the nose, burnt toast, earth, faint grapefruit. Medium sweet flavor with mellow dry and burnt wood, dark chocolate, baking cocoa, some piney bitterness, alcohol, grass. Full bodied with fine to average carbonation. Moderate warmth to finish with burnt grass, baking cocoa, straight dirt, pine, lime and grapefruit. Some spicy cedar, too. Hefty, nice.

3.8
   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 15/20
Theydon_Bois (7924) - The ’Sham, Surrey, ENGLAND - JUN 24, 2013
Bottle, Theydon Bois Roma Pre-Nuptuals Tasting at Ma Che, 22/06/13. Thanks to Leighton for hunting down another Black IPA rate in Roma! Dark black with a thin off white head that dissipates to a film. Nose is dark roast, bitter chocolate, earthy hops, touch of booze. Taste comprises a good roast dose, bitter hops, dark toffee, fruit notes, booze, sugars. Full bodied, fine carbonation, dark fruit and hop bitterness in a roasted finish. A fairly big beer - a DCDA ! Lots going on and pulls together well!

4
   AROMA 9/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 7/10   PALATE 3/5   OVERALL 17/20
Anvil99 (12) - - MAY 7, 2013
Pitch black in colour, almost black foam. A bit hoppy but a lot of licorice and a nice sweetness makes this ber quite well balanced though the high alcohol level

3.4
   AROMA 5/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 6/10   PALATE 3/5   OVERALL 16/20
MF666 (246) - FAROE ISLANDS - APR 30, 2013
Black as hell, brun skum, dufter af honning, smager sødligt, kaffe, ristet malt, let bitter eftersmag med kaffe Free Føroyar!!!

4
   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 16/20
sepia5 (237) - Connecticut, USA - APR 18, 2013
Pours jet black with no head and very little noticeable carbonation. Nose is molasses, toffee and vanilla. Flavor is dark fruit and toffee. There is almost no indication of the high ABV. A really nice beer. I’d forgotten about this one in my cellar and am unsure whether it has changed over time by virtue of the hops fading. Even if it has, it is still a solid beer.


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