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RATINGS: 295   WEIGHTED AVG: 3.88   EST. CALORIES: 336   ABV: 11.2%
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High gravity black ale brewed with Ty Ty honey, copious amounts of hops and aged on toasted Spanish Cedar. Part 2 of a 4 beer collaboration between Cigar City, Hill Farmstead, and Grassroots. A note from Joey Redner: "The beers are basically black IPA’s brewed with lots of Citra, Mt. Rainier and Simcoe along with Ty Ty honey from North Florida aged on medium toast Spanish Cedar. There are different hop additions in the Hill Farmstead/Grassroots version (Or) and the 2-row base malt in the CCB version (Either) is replaced with Pilsner malt in the Vermont/Denmark version (Or). There are also some process differences which is one of the purposes of a collaboration; allowing breweries to learn from each other. The goal was to make two beers that were alike, but slightly different due to preferences in regional approach and access to ingredients. The four beers in this collaborative series will be named: Either, Or, Neither and Nor. Either and Or will release first and the other two will follow. Both Either and Or were brewed at CCB, but Neither and Nor will be brewed as single batches in both Vermont and Denmark.

   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 16/20
kbutler1 (1349) - Minnesota, USA - DEC 9, 2010
Bottle. Poured into a large tulip glass a very dark brown/black color with a medium sized bubbled tan head that slowly recedes. An interesting aroma; grassy, roasted malt, woody, and almost an underlying mint but this could be the toasted cedar throwing me off. Medium mouthfeel with nice carbonation. The first thing I notice is the sweetness of the honey followed by the toasted cedar flavors. The hops are there and in abundance with notes of citrus rind. Nice lace left on the glass. The alcohol is not as noticeable as I would have thought. I get some licorice flavors in this as well. This has a pretty bitter lingering finish that but also leaves your lips slighlty sweet. Overall, pretty good but for $7.50/12oz bottle, it’s a little bit on the steep side.

   AROMA 6/10   APPEARANCE 3/5   TASTE 7/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 13/20
GT2 (8161) - San Diego County, California, USA - DEC 8, 2010
355mL courtesy of tastybeer. Poured a near black, more deep brune, with a thin, creme, tan head leaving minuscule lace. Aroma is a very odd mix of Indian food, curry, samosas, spiced and cooked mangoes, tropical fruit marinaded steak. Here, whatever spice the cedar is producing is not harmonizing well with the tropical hops. It leaves an end note not unlike pineapple marinated Hawaiian steak. Taste is cedar up front, spices, curry, marinated steak, burnt sugar, big time smoked malt character. Palate is dry, prickly, relatively viscous and lively in carbonation. Overall, this would do very well as a smoked porter.

   AROMA 6/10   APPEARANCE 5/5   TASTE 7/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 16/20
Palidor19 (2917) - Brandon, Florida, USA - DEC 8, 2010
part 2 of 2, even though they use the same ingredients that have different characteristics. this one is different than the "either" its more robust and smokey with more wood and less fruit. not quite as heavy n the palate. both are GREAT but the Either is slightly better (just by a little bit though)

   AROMA 9/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 9/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 18/20
IPAsavedMYlife (344) - St. Petersburg, Florida, USA - DEC 5, 2010
Nice amount of tasty head. Very fresh and floral on the nose like fresh cut grass. Taste is sweet can taste the honey some, but many notes of a nutty IPA. Quite sweet and roasty like a stout. Finishes hoppy and slightly bitter with some coffee notes Nice black IPA. Lands somewhere between a stout and an IPA. Alcohol is well hidden. Not viscus at all. Maybe my palate has gone stupid today, but I can’t find a weak spot.

   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 5/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 18/20
patrickfannon (1235) - Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA - DEC 3, 2010
Bottle. 12 oz. Split with James and Linh. Courtesy of James. Pours a deep, hazy, coffee brown with a thin, lacy off-white head. Aroma of sweet honey, floral lavender, roasty malts, and hints of coffee and fresh red pepper. Medium to full bodied with a sticky, yet firmly malty and rich palate. Slight spice and chocolate bitter notes on the tongue. Finishes quickly and with a bit of roast and dry hops. Excellent black IPA.

   AROMA 9/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 9/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 17/20
jredmond (5196) - Manhattan, New York, USA - DEC 3, 2010
Bottle split with pat and Linh. Pours a pitch black with nice light brown lacing. Delicious citrus and pine hop and cedar. Mouthfeel is incredible notes of citrus hop, pine, honey, wood.

   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 5/5   OVERALL 16/20
jtclockwork (7897) - , New Jersey, USA - DEC 2, 2010
Bottle thanks to Jcwattsrugger. Pours black with tan head. Nose and taste of cedar, honey, roasted chocolate malts, light vanilla and hops. The cedar really dominates the nose and taste.

   AROMA 9/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 15/20
michael-pollack (4960) - King of Prussia, Pennsylvania, USA - DEC 1, 2010
12oz. Bottle: Aroma of dark malts, hops, pine, resin, light marijuana, light citrus, grain, and a hint of honey. Poured pitch black in color with a huge, cream, dense, brown/dark brown head that lasted throughout. Opaque. Sparkling. More than excellent lacing. Flavor is medium to heavily bitter. Tastes of roasted malt, hops, pine, cedar, wood, slight cocoa, slight honey, slight caramel, slight tobacco, and a mixture of old ale and black IPA flavors. Medium to full body. Lightly dry texture. Average carbonation. Dark roasted malt, hops, pine, slight alcohol, slight caramel, cedar, and wood finish is dry. 11.2%ABV is completely hidden throughout. Delicious.

   AROMA 6/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 7/10   PALATE 3/5   OVERALL 13/20
Thorpe429 (5012) - , Illinois, USA - DEC 1, 2010
Served in a Hill Farmstead wine glass. Pours near black with a finger-and-a-half of light mocha head and some pretty good lacing as it goes down. Nice retention with some sticking power that’s greater than what I found in the Either without a hard swirl. The nose is a bit hoppier than Either, with some citrus notes coming through as well as earth. The earthiness of this is quite prominent alongside a bit of roast. The flavor starts out with some citrus hops and a bit of tangerine peel. After that comes a touch of light sweetness as well as some roast. A pretty good amount of booze is here as well, though not nearly as much as in Either. Medium body and not quite as creamy as Either, though the lack of alcohol dominance is nice. There are some hops in the finish, which is fairly dry. This is pretty decent and more drinkable right now than the Either, but neither one really stands up to what I would expect from these breweries.

   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 7/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 16/20
GodOfThunder (1247) - Orlando, Florida, USA - DEC 1, 2010
Bottle. Strong, green, hoppy aroma with some dark roast in the background. Flavor is strong on the hops, still pretty fresh. The freshness of the hops almost gives off a medicinal quality. Caramel sweetness lingers for some time.

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