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RATINGS: 296   WEIGHTED AVG: 3.88   EST. CALORIES: 336   ABV: 11.2%
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High gravity black ale brewed with Ty Ty honey, copious amounts of hops and aged on toasted Spanish Cedar. Part 2 of a 4 beer collaboration between Cigar City, Hill Farmstead, and Grassroots. A note from Joey Redner: "The beers are basically black IPA’s brewed with lots of Citra, Mt. Rainier and Simcoe along with Ty Ty honey from North Florida aged on medium toast Spanish Cedar. There are different hop additions in the Hill Farmstead/Grassroots version (Or) and the 2-row base malt in the CCB version (Either) is replaced with Pilsner malt in the Vermont/Denmark version (Or). There are also some process differences which is one of the purposes of a collaboration; allowing breweries to learn from each other. The goal was to make two beers that were alike, but slightly different due to preferences in regional approach and access to ingredients. The four beers in this collaborative series will be named: Either, Or, Neither and Nor. Either and Or will release first and the other two will follow. Both Either and Or were brewed at CCB, but Neither and Nor will be brewed as single batches in both Vermont and Denmark.


3.8
   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 7/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 16/20
GodOfThunder (1247) - Orlando, Florida, USA - DEC 1, 2010
Bottle. Strong, green, hoppy aroma with some dark roast in the background. Flavor is strong on the hops, still pretty fresh. The freshness of the hops almost gives off a medicinal quality. Caramel sweetness lingers for some time.

3.6
   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 7/10   PALATE 5/5   OVERALL 13/20
tastybeer (1682) - Bloomington, Indiana, USA - NOV 30, 2010
UPDATED: DEC 2, 2010 Bottle. Pours black with a small tan head. Flavor of honey, piney hops, cedar, smoke, almost has a leathery feel to it. Pretty good.

4
   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 5/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 16/20
markwise (4429) - North of Tampa, Florida, USA - NOV 29, 2010
Thanks to TampaPourHouse for the share. Pours dark brown with an off-white head. Nose is roast, pine, spice, floral, citrus, and slight cedary earthy bits. Flavor is similar without the strong bits of cedar that its other conjunction brother "either" has. Flavor is complex with spices, slight roast, and packing a nice bite. Medium bodied and complex.

4.1
   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 17/20
DocLock (7745) - Lower Pottsgrove, Pennsylvania, USA - NOV 29, 2010
Mystery bottle from the unknown beer man and the paper bag he keep on his head. Pours thick deep blackish with 1-finger brown head. Nose is very Alpha Klausy, rich chocolatey malt, big resiny hops, cacao. Tastes rich, dense and velvety on the palate, with up front dark malts, cacao, chocolate, and a mid to late hop explosion. The two sensations don’t meld especially well, but that’s the nature of this style and not this beer. As usual, a well made beer from these guys.

3.9
   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 15/20
HOPSHUNTER (742) - Tampa, Florida, USA - NOV 28, 2010
Tap @ CCB. Poured black with a frothy, dense tan head. Nose has big notes of toasted and roasted dark malts, chocolate, pine, orange, cedar, and toffee. Full body with a slippery viscous mouth feel and gentile carbonation. This beer is fairly sweet as to be expected with a fair amount of earthy hop bitterness, an overall spiciness from the cedar. The big difference I found in Or from Either was a larger, brighter hop presence in Or, the roasty chocolate quality is still here but I get much more of a orange citric note. I think I’m feeling Or just a bit more.

3.6
   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 7/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 14/20
polomagnifico (1202) - Saginaw, Michigan, USA - NOV 27, 2010
Bottle from Tsotsi, thanks man! Aroma has notes of roasted malts, chocolate, honey, piny hops. Black hue with small tan head that leaves little lace. Flavor is heavy sweet and bitter. Palate is oily soft. Very good but I’d prefer the either rather than the or.

3.9
   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 15/20
Ibrew2or3 (6788) - Tempe, Arizona, USA - NOV 27, 2010
12oz bottle pours very dark with tan head that fades to a ring in about a minute. The aroma puts out sugary malts and honey sweetness rolling into increasingly roasty malts, spicy black licorice, spicy cedar and some malt sweetened citrus. Sort of like Either the beer enters smooth and near velvety but with a bit brighter notes. I get malt sweetened tangelo, orange juice and sugary grapefruit juice followed by lesser notes of dark roasted malts, some cedar spice, chocolate and then more citrus. Lingering citrus and a touch of roastiness head off into the after taste.

4
   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 3/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 18/20
gym399 (26) - Florida, USA - NOV 26, 2010
More balanced than Either. Surprisingly smooth for the high alcohol content.

4.4
   AROMA 9/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 9/10   PALATE 5/5   OVERALL 17/20
SFLpunk (134) - Burlington, Vermont, USA - NOV 25, 2010
"Acquired" from grassrootsVT as part of a set with EITHER. Tasted side by side. 12oz pry-top brown glass bottle. No date. Pours a thick viscous black with some creamy dark tan head that stays longer than OR and is also darker in color. Leaves no lacing. Nose: Dark and angry bitter chocolate notes, dusty hop flowers (dried), sticky weed. Dry dry dry and roasty smelling compared to the slick-smelling EITHER. Palate: Palate is lighter and a little more "lifted" feeling. Cedar is not as aggressive as in OR and the body is a little lighter (a good thing). Wet, juicy, pot-like hops ooze throughout the palate and are supported by the spicy, peppery cedar. Carbonation is creamy, true to form with Shaun Hill’s beers and keeps the palate from becoming cloying. Notes: Appearance is better on this one. Aroma is more muted than "Either" but the palate is far superior! Much more bitter (from the hops) than "Either" and is more lively both in terms of carbonation and flavor. "Or" seems to have a little less extraction of the malt and therefore allows the individual components to shine through a little more instead of getting mucked up together. The texture is perfect and the finish is elegant. The winner by far!

3.8
   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 15/20
hopscotch (8915) - Vero Beach, Florida, USA - NOV 22, 2010
UPDATED: NOV 23, 2010 Bottle… Coal black ale with a mid-sized, creamy, khaki head. Good retention. The nose offers lots of deeply roasted malt, dark chocolate, leather and singed pine needles with an acrid splash of bong water. Full-bodied with an oily mouthfeel and tingly carbonation. Black malt sweetness intertwines nicely with citrusy, grassy, piney hop bitterness. The high ABV is cloaked nicely. Burnt, grassy, hempen finish.


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