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RATINGS: 299   WEIGHTED AVG: 3.88/5   EST. CALORIES: 336   ABV: 11.2%
High gravity black ale brewed with Ty Ty honey, copious amounts of hops and aged on toasted Spanish Cedar. Part 2 of a 4 beer collaboration between Cigar City, Hill Farmstead, and Grassroots. A note from Joey Redner: "The beers are basically black IPAís brewed with lots of Citra, Mt. Rainier and Simcoe along with Ty Ty honey from North Florida aged on medium toast Spanish Cedar. There are different hop additions in the Hill Farmstead/Grassroots version (Or) and the 2-row base malt in the CCB version (Either) is replaced with Pilsner malt in the Vermont/Denmark version (Or). There are also some process differences which is one of the purposes of a collaboration; allowing breweries to learn from each other. The goal was to make two beers that were alike, but slightly different due to preferences in regional approach and access to ingredients. The four beers in this collaborative series will be named: Either, Or, Neither and Nor. Either and Or will release first and the other two will follow. Both Either and Or were brewed at CCB, but Neither and Nor will be brewed as single batches in both Vermont and Denmark.

   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 5/5   OVERALL 16/20
jtclockwork (14999) - , New Jersey, USA - DEC 2, 2010
Bottle thanks to Jcwattsrugger. Pours black with tan head. Nose and taste of cedar, honey, roasted chocolate malts, light vanilla and hops. The cedar really dominates the nose and taste.

   AROMA 9/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 15/20
michael-pollack (4959) - King of Prussia, Pennsylvania, USA - DEC 1, 2010
12oz. Bottle: Aroma of dark malts, hops, pine, resin, light marijuana, light citrus, grain, and a hint of honey. Poured pitch black in color with a huge, cream, dense, brown/dark brown head that lasted throughout. Opaque. Sparkling. More than excellent lacing. Flavor is medium to heavily bitter. Tastes of roasted malt, hops, pine, cedar, wood, slight cocoa, slight honey, slight caramel, slight tobacco, and a mixture of old ale and black IPA flavors. Medium to full body. Lightly dry texture. Average carbonation. Dark roasted malt, hops, pine, slight alcohol, slight caramel, cedar, and wood finish is dry. 11.2%ABV is completely hidden throughout. Delicious.

   AROMA 6/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 7/10   PALATE 3/5   OVERALL 13/20
Thorpe429 (5016) - , Illinois, USA - DEC 1, 2010
Served in a Hill Farmstead wine glass. Pours near black with a finger-and-a-half of light mocha head and some pretty good lacing as it goes down. Nice retention with some sticking power thatís greater than what I found in the Either without a hard swirl. The nose is a bit hoppier than Either, with some citrus notes coming through as well as earth. The earthiness of this is quite prominent alongside a bit of roast. The flavor starts out with some citrus hops and a bit of tangerine peel. After that comes a touch of light sweetness as well as some roast. A pretty good amount of booze is here as well, though not nearly as much as in Either. Medium body and not quite as creamy as Either, though the lack of alcohol dominance is nice. There are some hops in the finish, which is fairly dry. This is pretty decent and more drinkable right now than the Either, but neither one really stands up to what I would expect from these breweries.

   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 7/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 16/20
GodOfThunder (1249) - Orlando, Florida, USA - DEC 1, 2010
Bottle. Strong, green, hoppy aroma with some dark roast in the background. Flavor is strong on the hops, still pretty fresh. The freshness of the hops almost gives off a medicinal quality. Caramel sweetness lingers for some time.

   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 7/10   PALATE 5/5   OVERALL 13/20
tastybeer (1853) - Indiana, USA - NOV 30, 2010
UPDATED: DEC 2, 2010 Bottle. Pours black with a small tan head. Flavor of honey, piney hops, cedar, smoke, almost has a leathery feel to it. Pretty good.

   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 5/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 16/20
markwise (5195) - North of Tampa, Florida, USA - NOV 29, 2010
Thanks to TampaPourHouse for the share. Pours dark brown with an off-white head. Nose is roast, pine, spice, floral, citrus, and slight cedary earthy bits. Flavor is similar without the strong bits of cedar that its other conjunction brother "either" has. Flavor is complex with spices, slight roast, and packing a nice bite. Medium bodied and complex.

   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 17/20
DocLock (9999) - Lower Pottsgrove, Pennsylvania, USA - NOV 29, 2010
Mystery bottle from the unknown beer man and the paper bag he keep on his head. Pours thick deep blackish with 1-finger brown head. Nose is very Alpha Klausy, rich chocolatey malt, big resiny hops, cacao. Tastes rich, dense and velvety on the palate, with up front dark malts, cacao, chocolate, and a mid to late hop explosion. The two sensations donít meld especially well, but thatís the nature of this style and not this beer. As usual, a well made beer from these guys.

   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 15/20
HOPSHUNTER (742) - Tampa, Florida, USA - NOV 28, 2010
Tap @ CCB. Poured black with a frothy, dense tan head. Nose has big notes of toasted and roasted dark malts, chocolate, pine, orange, cedar, and toffee. Full body with a slippery viscous mouth feel and gentile carbonation. This beer is fairly sweet as to be expected with a fair amount of earthy hop bitterness, an overall spiciness from the cedar. The big difference I found in Or from Either was a larger, brighter hop presence in Or, the roasty chocolate quality is still here but I get much more of a orange citric note. I think Iím feeling Or just a bit more.

   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 7/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 14/20
polomagnifico (1202) - Saginaw, Michigan, USA - NOV 27, 2010
Bottle from Tsotsi, thanks man! Aroma has notes of roasted malts, chocolate, honey, piny hops. Black hue with small tan head that leaves little lace. Flavor is heavy sweet and bitter. Palate is oily soft. Very good but Iíd prefer the either rather than the or.

   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 15/20
Ibrew2or3 (8207) - Tempe, Arizona, USA - NOV 27, 2010
12oz bottle pours very dark with tan head that fades to a ring in about a minute. The aroma puts out sugary malts and honey sweetness rolling into increasingly roasty malts, spicy black licorice, spicy cedar and some malt sweetened citrus. Sort of like Either the beer enters smooth and near velvety but with a bit brighter notes. I get malt sweetened tangelo, orange juice and sugary grapefruit juice followed by lesser notes of dark roasted malts, some cedar spice, chocolate and then more citrus. Lingering citrus and a touch of roastiness head off into the after taste.

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