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RATINGS: 299   WEIGHTED AVG: 3.88/5   EST. CALORIES: 336   ABV: 11.2%
High gravity black ale brewed with Ty Ty honey, copious amounts of hops and aged on toasted Spanish Cedar. Part 2 of a 4 beer collaboration between Cigar City, Hill Farmstead, and Grassroots. A note from Joey Redner: "The beers are basically black IPA’s brewed with lots of Citra, Mt. Rainier and Simcoe along with Ty Ty honey from North Florida aged on medium toast Spanish Cedar. There are different hop additions in the Hill Farmstead/Grassroots version (Or) and the 2-row base malt in the CCB version (Either) is replaced with Pilsner malt in the Vermont/Denmark version (Or). There are also some process differences which is one of the purposes of a collaboration; allowing breweries to learn from each other. The goal was to make two beers that were alike, but slightly different due to preferences in regional approach and access to ingredients. The four beers in this collaborative series will be named: Either, Or, Neither and Nor. Either and Or will release first and the other two will follow. Both Either and Or were brewed at CCB, but Neither and Nor will be brewed as single batches in both Vermont and Denmark.

   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 17/20
Beershine (5221) - The Sunshine State, Florida, USA - JAN 29, 2012
Bottle. Looks the same as either. Black with small brown cap. Almost a purplish tinge. Aroma seems a little fruitier than Either. Rich fruits like Mamey, and it’s skins, drenched in rum. Not as oxidized or toasty in the aroma as Either, too. Tastes great, very smooth. Palate creamy. Leaves very long, lingering tasty espresso bean grinds on the tongue. Has almost a deMolen quality. The extra sweetness is a wonderful addition here, adding balance whereas either has more acidity. But there is balancing acidity here, in perfect proportion. Still a whole lotta roast, deep, and bittersweet cocoa. Strong but does not taste or smell hot at all. Smooth, balanced even though intense, and moreish. I believe I like this one a smidgen better than Either, overall.

   AROMA 6/10   APPEARANCE 3/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 15/20
POLK (2219) - Hørning, DENMARK - JAN 19, 2012
Danish beer enthusiasts Aarhus south, dark IPA tasting: Is almost identical with Either model. Beautiful black colour with fine brown head. Roasted malty aroma. Very rich dark beer with an intense hop flavor. Not so alcohol strong in taste as the ether model..

   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 16/20
ClubGonzo (5422) - Bergen, NORWAY - JAN 15, 2012
Bottle from Ølbutikken, Copenhagen, shared with BBGTC. Oily black body, small off-white head. Aroma is licorice, piney tones of grass and dark malts. Hints of salmiac, milk chocolate and heather flowers. Wonderful. Taste is licorice, leather, cocoa, pine, grass and hints of dark chocolate and deep malts. Very nice. Mouthfeel is smooth and velvety. This one is almost up there with it’s "brother" Either, but lacks the little X-factor (the cedar, which is not as present?) to take it all the way to the Olympian heights. Close, though. :-)

   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 3/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 16/20
OleR (4804) - Oslo, NORWAY - JAN 3, 2012
12 fl. oz bottle, kindly shared by GrOve. Jet black. Low tanned head. Resinous and citrus fruity hop aroma. Tarry, wooden and heavily roasted malt aroma. Big malt body. Well roasted, lots of coffee/cocoa. Tones of ash/smoke. Nice fruity hop flavor. Bold resiny bitterness. Thick in the mouth. Linger bitterness and well roasted malts in a lasting finish. Very tasty, very powerfull.

   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 16/20
oh6gdx (25388) - Vasa, FINLAND - DEC 26, 2011
Bottled@Craft Beer Co, London, during my July-August visit. Black colour, brown mediumsized head that leaves some lace. Aroma is spices, some honeylike sweetness, mild liquorice as well as some slight berrylike notes. Flavour is rather similar with mild coffee and chocolate as well. Long honeyish sweet dark malty finish. This one was really pleasant.

   AROMA 9/10   APPEARANCE 5/5   TASTE 9/10   PALATE 5/5   OVERALL 18/20
maneliquor (3483) - Perth, AUSTRALIA - DEC 22, 2011
UPDATED: AUG 18, 2013 Bottle opened at Mane Liquor. Big thanks to Jason for this. Poured viscous black with a very dense, semi-dark tan head. Head hung around for ages and left some nice spider legs down the glass. Nose is full of molasses and whiskey undertones at the forefront. As it warms, loads of mocha tones and piney hops come out with a touch of semi-sweet honey. The taste is liquorice and powdered cocoa to begin with. Nice, subtle touches of whiskey with a touch of warmth from the alcohol. Cocoa powder is very prominant and the hops linger for a fantastic amount of time. Heavy and almost milky in the mouth. Not much heat at all considering the abv, just a slight warmth at the back of the throat which is perfect. Fantastic beer and one of my favourite black ipa’s to date

   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 7/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 15/20
sebletitje (9313) - Enghien, BELGIUM - DEC 21, 2011
Entering old rates. 12oz bottle. Couleur brune foncée, col beige. Quasi la même version que la ‘Either’. L’ajout de malt pils donne un profile plus sec et amer qui ressort plus que dans l’autre version. Le profile malté grillé reste bien présent avec un chocolat assez épais et un alcool réchauffant. Houblon est toujours bien en balance avec des notes fruitées ; agrumes et pamplemousse et peut être un peu plus sec. Encore une fois, le prix est me semble-t-il excessif. Reste une bière solide, mais qui est un peu trop alcoolisée. Les deux sont bonnes avec assez de différence pour en justifier de les gouter ensemble. Là aussi, le miel se fait discret et se perd un peu dans un océan d’alcool et de houblon. Le cèdre confère toujours cette pointe d’épice boisée assez agréable et qui se combine bien avec le houblon. Au final, cette version semble mettre les houblons plus à l’honneur.

   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 9/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 16/20
garthicus (2908) - Dublin, IRELAND - DEC 13, 2011
Thanks to Blankboy. Appearance: Thick black body, thick brown head. Aroma: good spicy nose, blackcurrant, alcohol, malt, chocolate, mint and an almost cranberry. Flavour: Thick mouthfeel, malty, cranberry, mint, lots of chocolate and coffee. Lovely long malty chocolate Finish. Lovely. ---Rated via Beer Buddy for iPhone

   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 7/10   PALATE 3/5   OVERALL 15/20
HogTownHarry (6375) - Toronto (Harbourfront), Ontario, CANADA - DEC 13, 2011
12oz bottle shared by blankboy with me and garthicus. Fairly deep ruby with a large lasting tan/light brown frothy/creamy head. Decent roasty and dry aroma, slightly lactic, dry floral bitterness, not much alcohol. Taste - a bit more alcohol, raisin, slightly oaky, weak treacle, quite herbal, but low-level. Slick, light mouthfeel, a bit astringent, modest carbonation, quickish slighlty boozy finish --- dry; actually pretty solid.

   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 7/10   PALATE 3/5   OVERALL 15/20
pushkinwow (2570) - Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA - DEC 7, 2011
12oz bottle. Black with a brown head that disappears very quickly, much thinner then its "either" cousin. Somewhat sweet malt, bit of smoke, pine resin and anise, bit of coffee and molasses as well. Fairly full bodied, moderately low carbonation, prickly from the booze, thick and somewhat tar like, sweet yet hot, even keeled throughout, stays very sweey, becomes dry with some smoke and pine at the end.

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