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RATINGS: 295   WEIGHTED AVG: 3.88   EST. CALORIES: 336   ABV: 11.2%
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High gravity black ale brewed with Ty Ty honey, copious amounts of hops and aged on toasted Spanish Cedar. Part 2 of a 4 beer collaboration between Cigar City, Hill Farmstead, and Grassroots. A note from Joey Redner: "The beers are basically black IPA’s brewed with lots of Citra, Mt. Rainier and Simcoe along with Ty Ty honey from North Florida aged on medium toast Spanish Cedar. There are different hop additions in the Hill Farmstead/Grassroots version (Or) and the 2-row base malt in the CCB version (Either) is replaced with Pilsner malt in the Vermont/Denmark version (Or). There are also some process differences which is one of the purposes of a collaboration; allowing breweries to learn from each other. The goal was to make two beers that were alike, but slightly different due to preferences in regional approach and access to ingredients. The four beers in this collaborative series will be named: Either, Or, Neither and Nor. Either and Or will release first and the other two will follow. Both Either and Or were brewed at CCB, but Neither and Nor will be brewed as single batches in both Vermont and Denmark.


3.9
   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 7/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 16/20
Dunbar72 (134) - Göteborg, SWEDEN - AUG 19, 2011
Bottle, thanx to Nisse666. Pours black with a small, light brown head. Aroma of roasted malt, hops, citrus and spices. Flavor of hops, pepper and dark malt. Pretty bitter finish, alcohol well hidden.

3.6
   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 7/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 14/20
Miksu (4938) - Jyväskylä, FINLAND - AUG 19, 2011
12 oz bottle, thanks Rauno! Black color. Sweet roasty aroma with coffee, licorice and honey. Roasty coffeish flavor with licorice, wood and tobacco. Bitter finish. Woody astringent mouthfeel, very woody.

4.1
   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 5/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 17/20
Sigmund (4933) - Tau, NORWAY - AUG 18, 2011
355 ml bottle, from Ølbutikken (or possibly Høkeren), Copenhagen. ABV is 11.2%. Pitch black colour, moderate tan head. Compared to CC Either, the aroma is very moderate: Dusty notes up front, followed by notes of mild coffee, hints of dark chocolate and wood. Warming mouthfeel. In the flavour, wood is up front, followed by malts, molasses, chocolate and honey. Distinct resinous hops in the finish. Good stuff, but Either is a tad better.

4
   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 16/20
Camons (5610) - Hasselager, DENMARK - AUG 17, 2011
Bottle @ Home. Pours black with a creamy tan head. Aroma of roasted malt, caramel, coffee ande lots of citrussly / pliny hops. Taste is malt, coffee, sweet caramel, honey notes, grapefruit and pinelike hops. Medium body, soft carbonation, well balanced between the malty and hoppy elements with a lasting bitter finish. Very nice. 170811

4
   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 7/10   PALATE 5/5   OVERALL 16/20
tmrmwel (854) - Bergen, NORWAY - AUG 15, 2011
Bottle. Pours pitch black, with a very small, creamy head. Lots of very pleasant aroma, with piny hops dominating and notes of tobacco, liquorice and coffee. Complex flavour following up the aromas, with a thick, oily body. Finish is long and very good coffee-ish bitterness.

4.1
   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 9/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 17/20
sepia5 (237) - Connecticut, USA - AUG 12, 2011
Pours jet black with a minimal tan head. Nose is coffee and malt. I know this is "basically a black IPA," but it definitely smells like a stout. The cedar is immediately apparent when you take your first taste. There are some slightly bitter coffee and roasted malt flavors, but the honey really does a wonderful job of balancing them. It is very apparent, in fact, that the sweetness comes from honey. This drinks more like a slightly hoppy, slightly sweet stout than a black IPA, but I really like it. You’d never guess this beer has such a high ABV. It’s really well crafted.

3.6
   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 3/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 3/5   OVERALL 15/20
Enjoyit (3445) - Vadum, DENMARK - AUG 4, 2011
Black of color with a small brown head. An aroma of roasted malt, liqurice and bitter. A flavor of liqurice, roasted malt, bitter and oily.

3.9
   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 7/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 16/20
Matts_Property (831) - Vancouver, British Columbia, CANADA - JUL 30, 2011
Bottle split with mcberko. Pours a very dark brown/black with a red tint in the light. Small tan head. Aroma is sweet on the nose to begin with with lots of candied sugar, dark fruits, honey and caramel, then some coffee or espresso and booze. Flavour is wood, caramel/honey, candied sugar, espresso, with some liqueur style after burn/booze. Smooth, lightly carbonated, thick and warming. Good.

3.8
   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 3/5   OVERALL 15/20
mcberko (5928) - Vancouver, British Columbia, CANADA - JUL 30, 2011
12 oz. bottle, sent from Glouglouburp (thanks Dany) split with Matts_Property, pours black with a slight reddish tinge and small ring of tan head. Aroma is balanced between roasted malts, honey and cedar, with the cedar becoming more pronounced the more you smell. Flavour is similarly so, with cedar, honey, slightly burnt roasted malts and wood all prevalent - the cedar and burnt / wood notes lingering. Again, not a huge fan of the cedar though it’s not as strong as in Either, and this is beautifully crafted nonetheless. More well-rounded than Either and I enjoyed it slightly more.

4
   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 3/5   OVERALL 17/20
VsXsV (2143) - Linköping, SWEDEN - JUL 27, 2011
UPDATED: JUL 28, 2011 33 cl bottle from Barley Wine, Copenhagen. Pitch black liquid with a reddish hue and small tan head. Aroma is roasty and hoppy with notes of grassy, citrusy hops, coffee, ash, black chocolate, wood, perfume. A bit vinous and some dark fruits. Taste is also very roasted with lots of hops, heavy bitterness and some sweetness. Medium bodied with ok carbonation. Overall, really good BIPA where the roasted and the hoppy notes work together better than usual.


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