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RATINGS: 299   WEIGHTED AVG: 3.88/5   EST. CALORIES: 336   ABV: 11.2%
High gravity black ale brewed with Ty Ty honey, copious amounts of hops and aged on toasted Spanish Cedar. Part 2 of a 4 beer collaboration between Cigar City, Hill Farmstead, and Grassroots. A note from Joey Redner: "The beers are basically black IPA’s brewed with lots of Citra, Mt. Rainier and Simcoe along with Ty Ty honey from North Florida aged on medium toast Spanish Cedar. There are different hop additions in the Hill Farmstead/Grassroots version (Or) and the 2-row base malt in the CCB version (Either) is replaced with Pilsner malt in the Vermont/Denmark version (Or). There are also some process differences which is one of the purposes of a collaboration; allowing breweries to learn from each other. The goal was to make two beers that were alike, but slightly different due to preferences in regional approach and access to ingredients. The four beers in this collaborative series will be named: Either, Or, Neither and Nor. Either and Or will release first and the other two will follow. Both Either and Or were brewed at CCB, but Neither and Nor will be brewed as single batches in both Vermont and Denmark.

   AROMA 9/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 5/5   OVERALL 15/20
ruskiimperial (308) - Richmond, Virginia, USA - MAR 11, 2011
Poured a very dark blackish brown with a good two fingers of head. The aroma is very heavy on the sweet malty and dark fruit. The taste is quite heavy molasses, maple syrup, but also an aftertaste of some significant piney hops. The body is surprisingly heavy on this one. A bit of alcoholic burn. A very interesting and well made dark ipa.

   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 7/10   PALATE 3/5   OVERALL 17/20
flavio_b (277) - ROME, ITALY - JUL 20, 2011
Woow! On bottle. It is very similar to the Either! Black colour, malt and hop taste with a very flat froth. A "Chinotto Neri" taste in the finish is noticeable! Caramel and chocolate are noticeable too.

   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 9/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 17/20
sepia5 (237) - Connecticut, USA - AUG 12, 2011
Pours jet black with a minimal tan head. Nose is coffee and malt. I know this is "basically a black IPA," but it definitely smells like a stout. The cedar is immediately apparent when you take your first taste. There are some slightly bitter coffee and roasted malt flavors, but the honey really does a wonderful job of balancing them. It is very apparent, in fact, that the sweetness comes from honey. This drinks more like a slightly hoppy, slightly sweet stout than a black IPA, but I really like it. You’d never guess this beer has such a high ABV. It’s really well crafted.

   AROMA 9/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 16/20
yumyum (221) - barrie, Ontario, CANADA - FEB 12, 2011
a great beer. Pours rich black with a lot of piney hops on the nose but can also make out a slight woodiness from the cedar. A little more on the chocolate side compared to the either and also more hoppiness. The mouthfeel is great (smooth, slight carbonation0 Both great brews but I’ll give the or a slight edge.

   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 9/10   PALATE 5/5   OVERALL 18/20
nbondi (203) - Chicago, Illinois, USA - JAN 27, 2011
Very dark walnut color with thin beige head. Smells like fresh hops up front with cherry, a bit of cola and some vanilla. Lots of carbonation, more cola with chocolate in taste. Some mint, and pleasant hoppy finish. A little less well rounded than the "either", but still excellent.

   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 7/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 16/20
Dunbar72 (136) - Göteborg, SWEDEN - AUG 19, 2011
Bottle, thanx to Nisse666. Pours black with a small, light brown head. Aroma of roasted malt, hops, citrus and spices. Flavor of hops, pepper and dark malt. Pretty bitter finish, alcohol well hidden.

   AROMA 9/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 9/10   PALATE 5/5   OVERALL 17/20
SFLpunk (134) - Burlington, Vermont, USA - NOV 25, 2010
"Acquired" from grassrootsVT as part of a set with EITHER. Tasted side by side. 12oz pry-top brown glass bottle. No date. Pours a thick viscous black with some creamy dark tan head that stays longer than OR and is also darker in color. Leaves no lacing. Nose: Dark and angry bitter chocolate notes, dusty hop flowers (dried), sticky weed. Dry dry dry and roasty smelling compared to the slick-smelling EITHER. Palate: Palate is lighter and a little more "lifted" feeling. Cedar is not as aggressive as in OR and the body is a little lighter (a good thing). Wet, juicy, pot-like hops ooze throughout the palate and are supported by the spicy, peppery cedar. Carbonation is creamy, true to form with Shaun Hill’s beers and keeps the palate from becoming cloying. Notes: Appearance is better on this one. Aroma is more muted than "Either" but the palate is far superior! Much more bitter (from the hops) than "Either" and is more lively both in terms of carbonation and flavor. "Or" seems to have a little less extraction of the malt and therefore allows the individual components to shine through a little more instead of getting mucked up together. The texture is perfect and the finish is elegant. The winner by far!

   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 7/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 16/20
Veldrid (120) - Canton, Ohio, USA - MAR 5, 2011
Bottle. Side by side comparison with "Or". Pours black with tan head a little bigger than "Either" but faded just as fast. The aroma is more of what I was expecting from a black IPA compared to "Either". It has a lot more of the citrus, pine, hop notes on the nose as well as a bit of earthiness. The flavors are full of earthy wood notes, tobacco, and citrus. The bitterness was better fitting here than with "Either". The mouthfeel wasn’t as full bodied and fit closer with the style. I preferred this over "Either"

   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 7/10   PALATE 3/5   OVERALL 16/20
AlephNull3 (114) - New Jersey, USA - DEC 18, 2010
Pours a dark chocolate brown with a lacing light head. Smells of burnt coffee with a slight hint of alcohol. Taste a rush of sweet rasins and plums, that mellows into a tart coffee like finish. This beer completes the 2 part series for me and I have to say I may have enjoyed the EITHER a little better. Solid beer, $8 plus a bottle was a little pricey for the results but a must try.

   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 9/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 17/20
birderbeerer (112) - Virginia, USA - JAN 14, 2011
Pours black (dark brown in the right light). One finger head. Some lace. Aroma is sweet, sweet, citrusy, pineapple hops. So fruity. So unexpected given the appearance. No pungent aroma, just tropical fruity. Aroma and appearance really counter my expectations of both. I’ve had black ipa’s, but this one presents a much cleaner hop aroma than others. Taste follows the aroma. Big, sweet, juicy hops. Wonderful. The hops are followed by a mild, malt sweetness. No roast flavors but more of a lightly sweet molasses or brown sugar and caramel. Very light and toned down malt flavor, which provides a nice complement to the juicy hops. Excellent beer.

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