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RATINGS: 287   WEIGHTED AVG: 3.88   EST. CALORIES: 336   ABV: 11.2%
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High gravity black ale brewed with Ty Ty honey, copious amounts of hops and aged on toasted Spanish Cedar. Part 2 of a 4 beer collaboration between Cigar City, Hill Farmstead, and Grassroots. A note from Joey Redner: "The beers are basically black IPA’s brewed with lots of Citra, Mt. Rainier and Simcoe along with Ty Ty honey from North Florida aged on medium toast Spanish Cedar. There are different hop additions in the Hill Farmstead/Grassroots version (Or) and the 2-row base malt in the CCB version (Either) is replaced with Pilsner malt in the Vermont/Denmark version (Or). There are also some process differences which is one of the purposes of a collaboration; allowing breweries to learn from each other. The goal was to make two beers that were alike, but slightly different due to preferences in regional approach and access to ingredients. The four beers in this collaborative series will be named: Either, Or, Neither and Nor. Either and Or will release first and the other two will follow. Both Either and Or were brewed at CCB, but Neither and Nor will be brewed as single batches in both Vermont and Denmark.


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3.6
   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 3/5   OVERALL 14/20
bierkoning (8956) - La Tropica, NETHERLANDS - FEB 21, 2011
Bottle Almost black and opague. Malt and especially honey in the aroma. Malty sweet flavor with roast, hints of ash, honey and woody notes. Alcoholic. Roasty, honeyish aftertaste with loads of hops and dried red fruit.

4.2
   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 5/5   TASTE 9/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 16/20
madsberg (8819) - Søborg, DENMARK - MAR 7, 2011
Bottle at ACBF 2011. Dark brown coloured. LIght brown head. Herbs, caramel, light liqourice, roast, flowers, light spice and chocolate in the aroma. Flavou rof cocoa, coffee, caramel, vague smoke, some herbs and flowers. Very nice and smooth. Medium to full bodied. Has a hefty bitter roasted end. Very nice.

3.8
   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 7/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 15/20
Tmoney99 (8784) - Cincinnati, Ohio, USA - NOV 18, 2010
Draft at CC. Poured black color with an average frothy brown head that lasted and produced good lacing. Moderate to heavy toasted malt, dark honey, wood and alcohol aroma. Medium to full body with a smooth texture and flat carbonation. Moderate to heavy toasted honey sweet flavor with a medium to heavy sweet finish of moderate to long duration. This is a good but not a standout beer.

4
   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 16/20
gunnfryd (8558) - Kristiansand, NORWAY - JUN 6, 2011
Bottle. Black colour with a tan head. Aroma is roasted, smoked malt, coffee, alcohol, grapefruit. Flavour is roasted smoked malt, coffee, hop, grapefruit, alcohol. Full bodied nice beer.

3.8
   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 15/20
hopscotch (8217) - Vero Beach, Florida, USA - NOV 22, 2010
UPDATED: NOV 23, 2010 Bottle… Coal black ale with a mid-sized, creamy, khaki head. Good retention. The nose offers lots of deeply roasted malt, dark chocolate, leather and singed pine needles with an acrid splash of bong water. Full-bodied with an oily mouthfeel and tingly carbonation. Black malt sweetness intertwines nicely with citrusy, grassy, piney hop bitterness. The high ABV is cloaked nicely. Burnt, grassy, hempen finish.

4.3
   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 9/10   PALATE 5/5   OVERALL 17/20
Bov (8204) - Bienne, SWITZERLAND - DEC 13, 2012
from Erzboerschof - black beer with no head retention; the nose is woody and piney; aroma of black chocolate and honey; pretty roasted; full-bodied and very tasty; some astringency, hugely bitter, pretty dry and long hoppy, chocolatey and woody finish - huge stuff !

4.1
   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 10/10   PALATE 3/5   OVERALL 16/20
Travlr (7984) - Washington, Washington DC, USA - MAY 5, 2011
Bottle at Churchkey, shared with some dude named Mike. Slightly lighter, smaller head, variegated brown. Aroma of burnt fireplace embers. Taste has lots of dark roasted malts, slightly sweet, with a dry smoke and cedar chest finish. Very nice.

4
   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 16/20
chrisv10 (7860) - DENMARK - MAR 10, 2011
Bottle. Black with small light brown head. Flavour is roasted malts, chocolate, coffee, honey, perfume, bitter and hops.

4
   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 16/20
hopdog (7657) - Lansdale, Pennsylvania, USA - DEC 11, 2010
12oz bottle. Poured a dark black color with a very small sized off white head. Aromas of roast, breadiness, chocolate, some woodiness, and earthy. Tastes of roast, chocolate, earthy, floral, honey sweetness, and woodiness.

3.5
   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 3/5   TASTE 7/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 14/20
Ratman197 (7628) - Arvada, Colorado, USA - JUN 1, 2011
Bottle courtesy of Doodler poured a clear dark brown with a small lingering brown head. Aromas of roastiness, cocoa, earthinesslight cedar, light honey and light dried fruit. Palate was medium bodied and smooth. Flavors of roastiness, bitter chocolate, cedar and light honey with a smooth lingering roasty finish.


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