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RATINGS: 295   WEIGHTED AVG: 3.88   EST. CALORIES: 336   ABV: 11.2%
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High gravity black ale brewed with Ty Ty honey, copious amounts of hops and aged on toasted Spanish Cedar. Part 2 of a 4 beer collaboration between Cigar City, Hill Farmstead, and Grassroots. A note from Joey Redner: "The beers are basically black IPA’s brewed with lots of Citra, Mt. Rainier and Simcoe along with Ty Ty honey from North Florida aged on medium toast Spanish Cedar. There are different hop additions in the Hill Farmstead/Grassroots version (Or) and the 2-row base malt in the CCB version (Either) is replaced with Pilsner malt in the Vermont/Denmark version (Or). There are also some process differences which is one of the purposes of a collaboration; allowing breweries to learn from each other. The goal was to make two beers that were alike, but slightly different due to preferences in regional approach and access to ingredients. The four beers in this collaborative series will be named: Either, Or, Neither and Nor. Either and Or will release first and the other two will follow. Both Either and Or were brewed at CCB, but Neither and Nor will be brewed as single batches in both Vermont and Denmark.


3.6
   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 7/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 14/20
rlgk (9430) - Göteborg/Jönköping, SWEDEN - JUL 10, 2011
Bottle, thanks to Nisse666. Black beer, beige head. Hoppy earthy aroma, rather dry and a bit spicy. Hoppy earthy flavor with perfume and metal.

4.3
   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 9/10   PALATE 5/5   OVERALL 17/20
Bov (9050) - Bienne, SWITZERLAND - DEC 13, 2012
from Erzboerschof - black beer with no head retention; the nose is woody and piney; aroma of black chocolate and honey; pretty roasted; full-bodied and very tasty; some astringency, hugely bitter, pretty dry and long hoppy, chocolatey and woody finish - huge stuff !

3.5
   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 3/5   TASTE 7/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 14/20
Ratman197 (9030) - Arvada, Colorado, USA - JUN 1, 2011
Bottle courtesy of Doodler poured a clear dark brown with a small lingering brown head. Aromas of roastiness, cocoa, earthinesslight cedar, light honey and light dried fruit. Palate was medium bodied and smooth. Flavors of roastiness, bitter chocolate, cedar and light honey with a smooth lingering roasty finish.

4.7
   AROMA 9/10   APPEARANCE 5/5   TASTE 9/10   PALATE 5/5   OVERALL 19/20
daknole (8537) - Scottsdale, Arizona, USA - DEC 9, 2010
Black pour, creamy tan head. Hops up front in the aroma with toasted malt, pumpernickel bread, a little tar and some cane syrup. Flavor is sweet up front, hoppy, light smoke, grade b maple syrup, molasses. This is a world class black IPA. YES!

3.8
   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 15/20
hopscotch (8529) - Vero Beach, Florida, USA - NOV 22, 2010
UPDATED: NOV 23, 2010 Bottle… Coal black ale with a mid-sized, creamy, khaki head. Good retention. The nose offers lots of deeply roasted malt, dark chocolate, leather and singed pine needles with an acrid splash of bong water. Full-bodied with an oily mouthfeel and tingly carbonation. Black malt sweetness intertwines nicely with citrusy, grassy, piney hop bitterness. The high ABV is cloaked nicely. Burnt, grassy, hempen finish.

4
   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 16/20
hopdog (8521) - Lansdale, Pennsylvania, USA - DEC 11, 2010
12oz bottle. Poured a dark black color with a very small sized off white head. Aromas of roast, breadiness, chocolate, some woodiness, and earthy. Tastes of roast, chocolate, earthy, floral, honey sweetness, and woodiness.

3.4
   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 7/10   PALATE 3/5   OVERALL 13/20
NielsenRatings (8273) - Fort Collins, Colorado, USA - NOV 10, 2011
Bottle @ home, courtesy of maximum12. Deep brown/black appearance with a sizable, dark brown head. Slightly charred, roasty dark malty, somewhat piney/citrusy hoppy aroma. Rich, very roasty, slightly smoky, slightly charred, dark malty, moderately piney, slightly resiny hoppy flavor. Good beer but not as good as some of its West Coast counterparts in my mind.

3.3
   AROMA 6/10   APPEARANCE 3/5   TASTE 7/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 13/20
GT2 (7875) - Carlsbad, California, USA - DEC 8, 2010
355mL courtesy of tastybeer. Poured a near black, more deep brune, with a thin, creme, tan head leaving minuscule lace. Aroma is a very odd mix of Indian food, curry, samosas, spiced and cooked mangoes, tropical fruit marinaded steak. Here, whatever spice the cedar is producing is not harmonizing well with the tropical hops. It leaves an end note not unlike pineapple marinated Hawaiian steak. Taste is cedar up front, spices, curry, marinated steak, burnt sugar, big time smoked malt character. Palate is dry, prickly, relatively viscous and lively in carbonation. Overall, this would do very well as a smoked porter.

3.7
   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 7/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 14/20
BMan1113VR (7788) - Los Angeles, California, USA - MAR 13, 2011
Bottle served next to its compatriot, via a trade. Pours with a brown head that is a bit thicker than the other version and lasts a bit longer. About the same color (a near black body). Aromas of baked bread, chocolate, flowers, vanilla and light coffee. Flavors are very bitter, lightly astringent (both versions were), light citrus, flowers, roast. Lingering bitterness. Decently hidden ABV. Medium to light bubbles. Decently well attenuated for the size of the beer. Enjoyed this version a touch more than the "Either".

3.9
   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 16/20
JorisPPattyn (7716) - Antwerpen, BELGIUM - MAR 5, 2011
Head gone in seconds over near-black beer with a beautiful granat sheen. C-hops, but with a very marked meaty ester presence, like the juices dribbling out of a fresh roast - with grapefruit. Again roasted in the mouth, with sweet, roasted, and just-not-salty flavours. Very rounded, filling, balanced. Alcoholwarming, very thick and near syrupy texture. This is both original and excellent - a rare combination to be cherished.


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