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RATINGS: 299   WEIGHTED AVG: 3.88/5   EST. CALORIES: 336   ABV: 11.2%
High gravity black ale brewed with Ty Ty honey, copious amounts of hops and aged on toasted Spanish Cedar. Part 2 of a 4 beer collaboration between Cigar City, Hill Farmstead, and Grassroots. A note from Joey Redner: "The beers are basically black IPA’s brewed with lots of Citra, Mt. Rainier and Simcoe along with Ty Ty honey from North Florida aged on medium toast Spanish Cedar. There are different hop additions in the Hill Farmstead/Grassroots version (Or) and the 2-row base malt in the CCB version (Either) is replaced with Pilsner malt in the Vermont/Denmark version (Or). There are also some process differences which is one of the purposes of a collaboration; allowing breweries to learn from each other. The goal was to make two beers that were alike, but slightly different due to preferences in regional approach and access to ingredients. The four beers in this collaborative series will be named: Either, Or, Neither and Nor. Either and Or will release first and the other two will follow. Both Either and Or were brewed at CCB, but Neither and Nor will be brewed as single batches in both Vermont and Denmark.

   AROMA 10/10   APPEARANCE 5/5   TASTE 10/10   PALATE 5/5   OVERALL 20/20
konstifik (573) - SWEDEN - FEB 19, 2011
My first perfect 5! Almost black with a small beige head. Lovely aroma of grassy, grapey, piney and fruity hops in a big great mix with chocolate and honey. The balance between the level of roast and hops is perfect. I love the slight cedar notes and how this beer manages to combine roastiness, bitterness, hop flavour and complete smoothness. Freakin’ awesome beer!

   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 5/5   TASTE 10/10   PALATE 5/5   OVERALL 20/20
BillZav (22) - Sarasota, Florida, USA - JAN 16, 2011
Brewed in the trendy Cascadian dark ale style, these ale is part of the Either/Or collaboration with Danish brewery Grassroots and Vermont brewery Hill Farmstead. Or is chocolate in color, with substantial notes of piny hops complimented by roasted malt and chocolate with a woody feel from the cedar barrel aging. http://www.billysbeerblog.com/2010/12/epic/

   AROMA 9/10   APPEARANCE 5/5   TASTE 9/10   PALATE 5/5   OVERALL 19/20
daknole (10883) - Scottsdale, Arizona, USA - DEC 9, 2010
Black pour, creamy tan head. Hops up front in the aroma with toasted malt, pumpernickel bread, a little tar and some cane syrup. Flavor is sweet up front, hoppy, light smoke, grade b maple syrup, molasses. This is a world class black IPA. YES!

   AROMA 9/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 10/10   PALATE 5/5   OVERALL 19/20
Rustyham (1836) - St. Petersburg, Florida, USA - JAN 23, 2011
Bottle from Sunset Corners, Miami. I though this was way better then Either. Very thick, full bodied- this has a great burnt hoppiness to it, lots of honey and roasted malt. Sweet, burnt, crisp, toasty, and still hoppiness and generally light. Quite fantastic. Wish it came in bombers. Cedar is less noticeable in this one.

   AROMA 9/10   APPEARANCE 5/5   TASTE 9/10   PALATE 5/5   OVERALL 18/20
GatheringBrews (45) - Derby, Vermont, USA - NOV 21, 2010
Much like it’s companion beer, Either, this one pours a dark black/brown with a strong tan head. Stronger hop character in the aroma, but still hints of malt, dark fruit that unique touch from the cedar. Slightly drier mouthfeel and finish with much more pronounced hop flavor and less emphasis of the earthiness of Either. However, there’s still a unique tart from the cedar. Feels much more like a black IPA to me with the resinous backbone and drier finish, but still well balanced for such a big beer. Drinking them side by side allows for a good comparison of the differences, for sure. Enjoyed the Either, but preferred the Or, only because it really hits home as a BIPA to me.

   AROMA 9/10   APPEARANCE 5/5   TASTE 9/10   PALATE 5/5   OVERALL 18/20
yespr (40833) - Copenhagen O, DENMARK - MAR 6, 2011
33 cL bottle at ACBF2011. Pours dark brown to black with a small tan head. Spiced, dark roasted and dense malty aroma. Breadish. Smooth, sweet, roasted breadish and dark malty. Light hops fruity and rather bitter and dry roasted. Ends dry.

   AROMA 9/10   APPEARANCE 5/5   TASTE 9/10   PALATE 5/5   OVERALL 18/20
maneliquor (3484) - Perth, AUSTRALIA - DEC 22, 2011
UPDATED: AUG 18, 2013 Bottle opened at Mane Liquor. Big thanks to Jason for this. Poured viscous black with a very dense, semi-dark tan head. Head hung around for ages and left some nice spider legs down the glass. Nose is full of molasses and whiskey undertones at the forefront. As it warms, loads of mocha tones and piney hops come out with a touch of semi-sweet honey. The taste is liquorice and powdered cocoa to begin with. Nice, subtle touches of whiskey with a touch of warmth from the alcohol. Cocoa powder is very prominant and the hops linger for a fantastic amount of time. Heavy and almost milky in the mouth. Not much heat at all considering the abv, just a slight warmth at the back of the throat which is perfect. Fantastic beer and one of my favourite black ipa’s to date

   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 5/5   TASTE 9/10   PALATE 5/5   OVERALL 19/20
jpgrego (2) - Hamilton, Michigan, USA - SEP 25, 2012 does not count
Tannin, deep raisin, bitter, mossy, bit of an edge, moist soil, burnt sugar, molasses. I really wanted a cigar with this.

   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 5/5   TASTE 9/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 19/20
reggiedunlop (3669) - The dub c, Pennsylvania, USA - JUN 18, 2011
Pours pitch black with a medium mocha head...nice lacing and retention! aroma has notable spanish cedar right away...also notes of cocoa and fig...slight sweetness from the honey. Flavor is rich and complex with cocoa, honey, tobacco, and a nice dry woodiness from the cedar...perfect hoppiness to set it off...wow. mouthfeel is thick and sticky with a long, very roasty finish. Excellent.

   AROMA 9/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 9/10   PALATE 5/5   OVERALL 17/20
SFLpunk (134) - Burlington, Vermont, USA - NOV 25, 2010
"Acquired" from grassrootsVT as part of a set with EITHER. Tasted side by side. 12oz pry-top brown glass bottle. No date. Pours a thick viscous black with some creamy dark tan head that stays longer than OR and is also darker in color. Leaves no lacing. Nose: Dark and angry bitter chocolate notes, dusty hop flowers (dried), sticky weed. Dry dry dry and roasty smelling compared to the slick-smelling EITHER. Palate: Palate is lighter and a little more "lifted" feeling. Cedar is not as aggressive as in OR and the body is a little lighter (a good thing). Wet, juicy, pot-like hops ooze throughout the palate and are supported by the spicy, peppery cedar. Carbonation is creamy, true to form with Shaun Hill’s beers and keeps the palate from becoming cloying. Notes: Appearance is better on this one. Aroma is more muted than "Either" but the palate is far superior! Much more bitter (from the hops) than "Either" and is more lively both in terms of carbonation and flavor. "Or" seems to have a little less extraction of the malt and therefore allows the individual components to shine through a little more instead of getting mucked up together. The texture is perfect and the finish is elegant. The winner by far!

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