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RATINGS: 296   WEIGHTED AVG: 3.88   EST. CALORIES: 336   ABV: 11.2%
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High gravity black ale brewed with Ty Ty honey, copious amounts of hops and aged on toasted Spanish Cedar. Part 2 of a 4 beer collaboration between Cigar City, Hill Farmstead, and Grassroots. A note from Joey Redner: "The beers are basically black IPA’s brewed with lots of Citra, Mt. Rainier and Simcoe along with Ty Ty honey from North Florida aged on medium toast Spanish Cedar. There are different hop additions in the Hill Farmstead/Grassroots version (Or) and the 2-row base malt in the CCB version (Either) is replaced with Pilsner malt in the Vermont/Denmark version (Or). There are also some process differences which is one of the purposes of a collaboration; allowing breweries to learn from each other. The goal was to make two beers that were alike, but slightly different due to preferences in regional approach and access to ingredients. The four beers in this collaborative series will be named: Either, Or, Neither and Nor. Either and Or will release first and the other two will follow. Both Either and Or were brewed at CCB, but Neither and Nor will be brewed as single batches in both Vermont and Denmark.


4.4
   AROMA 9/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 9/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 18/20
IPAsavedMYlife (344) - St. Petersburg, Florida, USA - DEC 5, 2010
Nice amount of tasty head. Very fresh and floral on the nose like fresh cut grass. Taste is sweet can taste the honey some, but many notes of a nutty IPA. Quite sweet and roasty like a stout. Finishes hoppy and slightly bitter with some coffee notes Nice black IPA. Lands somewhere between a stout and an IPA. Alcohol is well hidden. Not viscus at all. Maybe my palate has gone stupid today, but I can’t find a weak spot.

4.4
   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 9/10   PALATE 5/5   OVERALL 18/20
nbondi (201) - Chicago, Illinois, USA - JAN 27, 2011
Very dark walnut color with thin beige head. Smells like fresh hops up front with cherry, a bit of cola and some vanilla. Lots of carbonation, more cola with chocolate in taste. Some mint, and pleasant hoppy finish. A little less well rounded than the "either", but still excellent.

4.4
   AROMA 9/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 9/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 18/20
Vaiz (3299) - Den Haag, NETHERLANDS - JAN 29, 2011
Awesome gift from secret santa, thanks! Very black pour, thin tan head with quite some lacing. Aroma is complex and intriguing, some spicy malts, piney hops and crispy cedar. Flavor is extremely smooth, some bitter and floral hops combined with a nice sweet malt backbone and a very rounded off thick texture and fat body. Amazing brew.

4.4
   AROMA 9/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 9/10   PALATE 5/5   OVERALL 17/20
dEnk (3734) - Den Haag, NETHERLANDS - JAN 29, 2011
UPDATED: APR 3, 2011 Bottle, thanks santa! Aroma is.. wow. What. Ehh. Hops, definitely hops, and malt, maybe a touch of yeast, but in a good way. Furthermore spices, hops and fruity hops. Got me excited like lood en oud ijzer, which is impressive for me. Flavour is. Damn, do i have to repeat myself? Wow is the word. Intense hoppy, malty, some peaty earthy woody something, everything

4.4
   AROMA 9/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 9/10   PALATE 5/5   OVERALL 17/20
adrian910ss (2333) - philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA - FEB 7, 2011
12 oz bottle. Pours a dark cola with a small light brown head. Aroma of roasted malts, cedar wood, black licorice, piney hops, honey and burnt sugar notes. Taste of sweet roasted malts, piney hops, honey, cedar wood and hints of burnt sugar. Very good and better than the Either.

4.4
   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 9/10   PALATE 5/5   OVERALL 18/20
Pawola22 (3262) - Woodridge, Illinois, USA - FEB 25, 2011
12oz bottle my brother brought back from Tampa, thanks Jeff! Compared side-by-side with "Either." Pours a black body with a finger-width, dense and creamy, darker brown head that dissipates slowly and leaves a nice lacing throughout. Actually a bit more on the creamier side and some more lacing than the "Either." Aroma is very similar to the "Either," but a bit sharper when it comes to the roasts and hops. Tons of toasted cedar up front with plenty of dusty and musty earthy hops. Plenty of caramel to balance, however, not quite as sweet and pronounced as the "Either." Lots of tobacco and some smoke, citrusy pines with light resins, roasts, dry cocoas, some pepper, and a touch of molasses sweetness behind the caramel as this warms more. Flavor has tons of sharper, heavier pines and earthy hops up front with lots of citruses. Lots of balanced, toasted cedar, roasts, tobacco, and a moderate char come in along with dry cocoas. This is slightly less sweet and juicy than the "Either," but I like how the bold, deeper flavors take the forefront in this one. The pines do grow a bit sweet towards the finish with a bit of a juicy citrus, but there is more of an earthy spice that adds more complexity to the hopping when compared to the "Either." Finishes very dry with plenty of resiny pines, earth, toasted and slightly charred cedar, heavy roasts, and tobacco smoke all balanced nicely by a solid caramel and cocoa. Very lengthy aftertaste following a medium, very soft and creamy, almost full body with a soft, creamy, medium carbonation. This is ever-so-slightly lighter than the "Either," but still drinks splendidly. Overall, this beer along with the "Either" are definitely my kinds of beers. Toooons of bold flavors all balanced extremely well with an exceptional palate. This one leans a bit more towards the roasts and deeper hop flavors, which I tend to like better. Very similar to the "Or," but I like this one a bit more because of the awesome balance and slightly deeper flavor. Damn, these two were spectacular.

4.4
   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 9/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 19/20
dnstone (2134) - Las Vegas, Nevada, USA - MAR 13, 2011
Hoppy-roasty aroma. Deep brown/black in color with a tan head. Really a stout-like IPA (the "either" seemed more like a IPA-like stout) with great coffee and chocolate flavors and a hop strength. A great, complex beer. Notes: Bottle at Alvinne CBF ’11

4.4
   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 5/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 19/20
jesperhammer (2843) - Copenhagen, DENMARK - APR 17, 2011
17-APR-2011, bottle @home, from "Fish & Beer". Tasted side by side with "Either". Pours very very dark brown with a huge brown head that lasts. Much more head than with "EITHER" and it really messes up the glass. Different pour hight or force? But it happens again with the second pour. Roasted nose with spices, coffee and bitterness on the nose. Taste is somewhat sweet with all the coffee and chocolate notes on top of a very present bitterness. Alcohol can be felt. I am not really thinking black IPA here. More like barrel aged american strong ale as in "Lost Abbey" - like bordering on a stout. Best black IPA I have had. What a brew. Sadly it ends too quick. 99% alike but still... "EITHER" wins.

4.4
   AROMA 9/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 5/5   OVERALL 18/20
cmonster (966) - Portland, Oregon, USA - MAY 23, 2011
Bottle served in a tulip. Pours dark brown, burnt motor oil. Large milk chocolate colored head with decent retention and good lacing. Rich, sweet nose of cedar, molasses, honey, coffee, and dank earthy hops. Very sweet flavor. Big body, thick texture, soft carbonation, and an ultra long roasty, big bitter finish. Wow this is good!

4.4
   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 5/5   TASTE 10/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 17/20
jrmac (330) - South Carolina, USA - JUL 23, 2011
Pour is dark black, with a thin tan head, The nose is honey and cedar with notes of alcohol. The palate is....divine with bursts of hops, cocoa, honey, and cedar. Probably the best beer I have tasted in months.


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