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RATINGS: 295   WEIGHTED AVG: 3.88   EST. CALORIES: 336   ABV: 11.2%
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High gravity black ale brewed with Ty Ty honey, copious amounts of hops and aged on toasted Spanish Cedar. Part 2 of a 4 beer collaboration between Cigar City, Hill Farmstead, and Grassroots. A note from Joey Redner: "The beers are basically black IPA’s brewed with lots of Citra, Mt. Rainier and Simcoe along with Ty Ty honey from North Florida aged on medium toast Spanish Cedar. There are different hop additions in the Hill Farmstead/Grassroots version (Or) and the 2-row base malt in the CCB version (Either) is replaced with Pilsner malt in the Vermont/Denmark version (Or). There are also some process differences which is one of the purposes of a collaboration; allowing breweries to learn from each other. The goal was to make two beers that were alike, but slightly different due to preferences in regional approach and access to ingredients. The four beers in this collaborative series will be named: Either, Or, Neither and Nor. Either and Or will release first and the other two will follow. Both Either and Or were brewed at CCB, but Neither and Nor will be brewed as single batches in both Vermont and Denmark.


3.3
   AROMA 6/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 7/10   PALATE 3/5   OVERALL 13/20
Thorpe429 (5007) - , Illinois, USA - DEC 1, 2010
Served in a Hill Farmstead wine glass. Pours near black with a finger-and-a-half of light mocha head and some pretty good lacing as it goes down. Nice retention with some sticking power that’s greater than what I found in the Either without a hard swirl. The nose is a bit hoppier than Either, with some citrus notes coming through as well as earth. The earthiness of this is quite prominent alongside a bit of roast. The flavor starts out with some citrus hops and a bit of tangerine peel. After that comes a touch of light sweetness as well as some roast. A pretty good amount of booze is here as well, though not nearly as much as in Either. Medium body and not quite as creamy as Either, though the lack of alcohol dominance is nice. There are some hops in the finish, which is fairly dry. This is pretty decent and more drinkable right now than the Either, but neither one really stands up to what I would expect from these breweries.

3.3
   AROMA 6/10   APPEARANCE 3/5   TASTE 7/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 13/20
GT2 (7900) - Carlsbad, California, USA - DEC 8, 2010
355mL courtesy of tastybeer. Poured a near black, more deep brune, with a thin, creme, tan head leaving minuscule lace. Aroma is a very odd mix of Indian food, curry, samosas, spiced and cooked mangoes, tropical fruit marinaded steak. Here, whatever spice the cedar is producing is not harmonizing well with the tropical hops. It leaves an end note not unlike pineapple marinated Hawaiian steak. Taste is cedar up front, spices, curry, marinated steak, burnt sugar, big time smoked malt character. Palate is dry, prickly, relatively viscous and lively in carbonation. Overall, this would do very well as a smoked porter.

3.3
   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 3/5   TASTE 7/10   PALATE 3/5   OVERALL 13/20
jonno (2135) - JAPAN - FEB 25, 2011
UPDATED: JUN 25, 2011 The alcohol is immediately apparent. It is much hoppier than the either, but the alcohol is almost stinging. Drunk these fresh due to the black IPA tag, but they may have done better with a bit of aging. Lots of rubbing alcohol, chocolate and a solid bitter finish. Cannot give this high marks due to the rubbing alcohol and straight forward projection of flavours.

3.3
   AROMA 6/10   APPEARANCE 3/5   TASTE 7/10   PALATE 3/5   OVERALL 14/20
argo0 (11181) - Washington DC, USA - MAR 20, 2011
Bottle. Minimal tan head atop black body with brown edge. Aroma is moderately sweet, coffee, caramel, chocolate, some orange. Taste is moderately sweet, caramel, bittersweet chocolate, plum/raisin, orange/grapefruit. Sticky medium-full body, low carbonation, somewhat smooth.

3.3
   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 3/5   TASTE 6/10   PALATE 3/5   OVERALL 14/20
jcartamdg (1672) - Spring Hill, Florida, USA - DEC 4, 2012
pours dark black with a off white head. Aroma of bitter hops, alcohol and roasted malt. Taste follows, quite boozy, hops are there so i the roast but the booze takes over. Either is much better

3.2
   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 5/10   PALATE 3/5   OVERALL 13/20
WeeHeavySD (3359) - San Diego (Hillcrest), Oregon, USA - FEB 5, 2011
Bottle Dasilky1 brought to last week’s tasting. Pours black with a light brown head. Nose is sweet, cedar hops. Taste is odd, cedar eh, too much cedar for me. I know its CC schtick, but eventually they should get over it.

3.2
   AROMA 6/10   APPEARANCE 3/5   TASTE 6/10   PALATE 3/5   OVERALL 14/20
redlight (2303) - Orlando, Florida, USA - APR 12, 2011
draft @ redlight redlight. Piney and resinous on the nose with hints of dark chocolate. Pours black with a thin off white head. Hoppy upfront with pine resin with a sweet molasses following. Nice black ale.

3.2
   AROMA 6/10   APPEARANCE 3/5   TASTE 6/10   PALATE 3/5   OVERALL 14/20
Savvy1982 (1705) - Lethbridge, Alberta, CANADA - OCT 30, 2011
Bottle. Pours clear brown/black, thin tan head, soft lacing. Nose is sweet molasses, cocoa, soap, had this brew immediately on the heels of Either, and this one isn’t faring nearly as well, seems lighter, thinner, and simpler, and perhaps most damningly: less hoppy. Flavours are at least somewhat hoppier, though the hops come off a bit soapy. Some light fruit, and moderate roast - Solid, but rather unexciting after the Either.

3.2
   AROMA 6/10   APPEARANCE 5/5   TASTE 6/10   PALATE 3/5   OVERALL 12/20
mikem409 (1462) - bloomfield, Michigan, USA - APR 27, 2012
bottle. pours light black with gorgeous white head. aroma of sweet hops. taste is slight roasty with lots of sweet honey

3.1
   AROMA 6/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 6/10   PALATE 3/5   OVERALL 12/20
pineypower (2411) - Pine Barrens, New Jersey, USA - APR 19, 2011
Bottle thanks to Dmac. Pours dark brown with a small lacing tan head. Aroma is of sweet malts, cedar and light citrus hops....similar to Either, but this one has a little more hop profile.


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