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RATINGS: 299   WEIGHTED AVG: 3.88/5   EST. CALORIES: 336   ABV: 11.2%
High gravity black ale brewed with Ty Ty honey, copious amounts of hops and aged on toasted Spanish Cedar. Part 2 of a 4 beer collaboration between Cigar City, Hill Farmstead, and Grassroots. A note from Joey Redner: "The beers are basically black IPAís brewed with lots of Citra, Mt. Rainier and Simcoe along with Ty Ty honey from North Florida aged on medium toast Spanish Cedar. There are different hop additions in the Hill Farmstead/Grassroots version (Or) and the 2-row base malt in the CCB version (Either) is replaced with Pilsner malt in the Vermont/Denmark version (Or). There are also some process differences which is one of the purposes of a collaboration; allowing breweries to learn from each other. The goal was to make two beers that were alike, but slightly different due to preferences in regional approach and access to ingredients. The four beers in this collaborative series will be named: Either, Or, Neither and Nor. Either and Or will release first and the other two will follow. Both Either and Or were brewed at CCB, but Neither and Nor will be brewed as single batches in both Vermont and Denmark.

   AROMA 9/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 18/20
BVery (9482) - Plymouth, Minnesota, USA - APR 14, 2012
UPDATED: DEC 17, 2013 Bottle. Extremely dark and viscous pour with a brown head. Big nose of oak, roast, honey, and resin hop. Taste is similar, palate is full. Spectacular brew!

   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 9/10   PALATE 5/5   OVERALL 17/20
Bov (11866) - Bienne, SWITZERLAND - DEC 13, 2012
from Erzboerschof - black beer with no head retention; the nose is woody and piney; aroma of black chocolate and honey; pretty roasted; full-bodied and very tasty; some astringency, hugely bitter, pretty dry and long hoppy, chocolatey and woody finish - huge stuff !

   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 9/10   PALATE 5/5   OVERALL 17/20
slowrunner77 (9919) - Reno, Nevada, USA - SEP 27, 2014
"aroma falls just a hair short of itíc cousin Either, but the overall impact abd flavor are bettter. the cedar is not so strong in the finish, but evenly eveident throughout, and the complexity is the beers strongest point. licorice, honey, chocolate, roasted malt, hops, cigar...not as sweet as the other. VERY nice."

   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 9/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 17/20
Chalsk (1104) - North Caldwell, New Jersey, USA - NOV 17, 2010
On tap at Blind Tiger with Joey Redner. Did the Either, Or side by side. Pours a black caramel colored head. Has an aroma of citrus and caramel. Roasty citrus taste with more roast than the Either. A nice creamy mouthfeel. Tasty brew.

   AROMA 9/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 17/20
jcwattsrugger (12136) - Florida and, New Jersey, USA - NOV 21, 2010
on tap-pours a brown head that laces with black color. Aroma is sweet pine, 2nd dark malt. Taste is sweet pine hops, cedar, 2nd dark malt-some molasses (&honey). Medium/full body.

   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 5/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 5/5   OVERALL 16/20
Slimbrundage (80) - USA - DEC 16, 2010
Pitch black with a tan head. Smoky black malt, molasses, cedar and blackberries. Medium to full bodied, silky smooth. The cedar hits you right away and gives way to roasty bitterness, coco and piney hops. Long lingering finish of pine and cedar. Best Black IPA Iíve ever had, Cigar City has done it again.

   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 5/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 5/5   OVERALL 17/20
craftycarl21 (2338) - Seattle, Washington, USA - DEC 30, 2010
Black pour, small tan head. Aroma holds lots of citrus and grassy hop, along with notes of grapefruit; malt profile goes to the background. Also some hints of nectar fruit on the nose. Flavor holds awesome nectarine and pink grapefruit, along with awesome floral and perfume hop. Palate is light but so tasty. Definitely preferred over the Either.

   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 9/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 17/20
birderbeerer (112) - Virginia, USA - JAN 14, 2011
Pours black (dark brown in the right light). One finger head. Some lace. Aroma is sweet, sweet, citrusy, pineapple hops. So fruity. So unexpected given the appearance. No pungent aroma, just tropical fruity. Aroma and appearance really counter my expectations of both. Iíve had black ipaís, but this one presents a much cleaner hop aroma than others. Taste follows the aroma. Big, sweet, juicy hops. Wonderful. The hops are followed by a mild, malt sweetness. No roast flavors but more of a lightly sweet molasses or brown sugar and caramel. Very light and toned down malt flavor, which provides a nice complement to the juicy hops. Excellent beer.

   AROMA 9/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 9/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 16/20
Countbeer (5996) - Best of E-Town mit 2 Brauhausen, NETHERLANDS - FEB 7, 2011
Bottle: thanks to Joes for sharing: Small brown head on top of black beer with a red shine. Smell more hop than the Either (CCB), flowers, fruit and grapefruit. Taste hop, flower, bitter, fruit, grapefruit, liquorice. Grassy aftertaste. Low to medium carbo, medium to full body and tingly mouthfeel.

   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 5/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 18/20
Habanero (3946) - Tranbjerg, DENMARK - FEB 26, 2011
Bottled. Pours opaque and almost black with a beige, medium sized, creamy head. Good lacings. Nose of roasted malts and dark fruits with grape and piny notes. Flavour with an appropriate sweetness, dark fruits, coffee and the hops are more subdued compared to "either". Full bodied. Flat carbonation. Oily texture. Ends up more dry with a nice, short bitterness. Close to an Imp. stout. Smoother than "Either" and very enjoyable.

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