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RATINGS: 295   WEIGHTED AVG: 3.88   EST. CALORIES: 336   ABV: 11.2%
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High gravity black ale brewed with Ty Ty honey, copious amounts of hops and aged on toasted Spanish Cedar. Part 2 of a 4 beer collaboration between Cigar City, Hill Farmstead, and Grassroots. A note from Joey Redner: "The beers are basically black IPA’s brewed with lots of Citra, Mt. Rainier and Simcoe along with Ty Ty honey from North Florida aged on medium toast Spanish Cedar. There are different hop additions in the Hill Farmstead/Grassroots version (Or) and the 2-row base malt in the CCB version (Either) is replaced with Pilsner malt in the Vermont/Denmark version (Or). There are also some process differences which is one of the purposes of a collaboration; allowing breweries to learn from each other. The goal was to make two beers that were alike, but slightly different due to preferences in regional approach and access to ingredients. The four beers in this collaborative series will be named: Either, Or, Neither and Nor. Either and Or will release first and the other two will follow. Both Either and Or were brewed at CCB, but Neither and Nor will be brewed as single batches in both Vermont and Denmark.


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3.5
   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 6/10   PALATE 3/5   OVERALL 15/20
mpersinger (347) - , California, USA - JAN 22, 2011
UPDATED: JAN 23, 2011 Aroma dominated by American hop bouquet (slight acidic note) in this pour from 12 oz bottle. Deepest brown opaque with huge tan billowing tight-beaded head. American hop resinous flavor with dark malt undertones, hint of smoke and scotch notes, with medium body. Alcohol warmth and overblown American hop resiny flavors lead to muddled finish. So for me it’s not either or or, I prefer Either.


3.7
   AROMA 6/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 7/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 16/20
bhensonb (10736) - Woodland, California, USA - MAR 18, 2014
Bottle shared by oRos. Pours dark brown with a tan head. Aroma is a bit of pine, with chocolate and dark malt. Med body. Flavor is lightly minty chocolate with dark malt.

3.8
   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 7/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 16/20
oRos (1052) - sacramento, California, USA - MAR 17, 2014
Bottle from Ibrew2or3. Pours black with not much head. Taste is chocolate black roasted malts with some evergreen mint. Or something

3.9
   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 3/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 17/20
marcus (6339) - Sacramento, California, USA - MAR 17, 2014
Bottle shared by oRos. Pours dark brown with a tiny beige head and a chocolate aroma. There is a rich chocolate flavor with a dry finish. A bit more subdued than the Either, but just as good.

4.1
   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 17/20
Leighton (10512) - London, Greater London, ENGLAND - FEB 26, 2014
Bottle shared at Ma Che in Rome. Pours black-brown with a foamy tan head. Burnt cedar wood on the nose with darkened grapes as well. Medium sweet flavor with lightly jammy dark fruits, light chocolate, grape jelly, mellow dry cedar wood. Medium bodied with fine, creamy carbonation. Light warmth to finish with a bit of bitter baking cocoa, earth, ripe and sweet berries. Lovely. Great depth of character.

3.8
   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 3/5   OVERALL 15/20
jkwood04 (3787) - Connecticut, USA - FEB 20, 2014
12oz bottle thanks to Glouglouburp in an HF tulip. Pours black with a beige head. Aroma of roasted malts (moreso than Either), some sweetness, a little chocolate and light coffee, some dough, and a little floral and lightly citrusy hops. Flavor the same with a nice blend. Smooth texture. A pretty good beer.

3.8
   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 7/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 15/20
DrSilverworm (6005) - Cincinnati, Ohio, USA - DEC 6, 2013
12oz bottle, thanks to FlandersNed. Sticker on cap reads "1-11". Shared with local raters. Very dark brown reddish, near black color. Thin khaki ring of head, couple dots of lace. Big body. Smooth, lighter carbonation. Kind of chewy. Lightly dry finish. Smokey, roasty malt aroma. Some coffee and dark chocolate. Light molasses. Prominent earthy hop. Moderate to bigger bitter taste, light alcohol warmth works well for the 11.2% abv. Solid imperial black IPA, drinking well for 2 years old. Prefer this to the Either from what I remember, less oxidization and malty sweetness here.

3.8
   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 7/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 15/20
umich03jm (1814) - Flat Rock, Michigan, USA - NOV 10, 2013
Bottle. Thanks Tom! Pours pitch black with a very small foamy head that fades to a ring. Aroma is sweet chocolate, light pine, and burnt wood. Taste is sweet chocolate syrup and caramel up front, then turns to bitter coffee and burnt wood. Very light hint of hops. Medium to thick body, oily mouthfeel with a little chalkiness. Not sure how old this bottle is but it’s definitely lost some hoppiness. Would’ve loved to try this fresh. Everything but the hops have held up well though, very enjoyable.

3.8
   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 15/20
Theydon_Bois (7935) - The ’Sham, Surrey, ENGLAND - JUN 24, 2013
Bottle, Theydon Bois Roma Pre-Nuptuals Tasting at Ma Che, 22/06/13. Thanks to Leighton for hunting down a 2nd Black IPA rate in Roma! Dark black with a frothy tan head. Nose is liqourice, aniseed, bitter roast, dark chocolate, hoppy backnotes. Taste comprises dark malts, good dose of roast, light pine bite, touch of bitter hops, aniseed, licqourice, light chocolate. Full bodied, soft carbonation, light booze in the finish. Decent, more of a black IPA than Either in my book but both decent beers and well made with little thought given to the fact your’e supping a double digit ABV beer!

3.8
   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 7/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 16/20
b3shine (5184) - Cincinnati, Ohio, USA - APR 26, 2013
Bottle to snifter (shared with the Mrs.; thanks burg326). Looks good; a dark brownish-black with beige lacing. Smells solid; chocolate malt, hops, cedar, and honey. Tastes like it smells with a nice, smooth mouthfeel. Good stuff.

3.6
   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 3/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 3/5   OVERALL 15/20
pentaz (1222) - Frederiksberg, DENMARK - MAR 8, 2013
Bottle. Pours near black with almost no head. Aroma is roasted malt,licorice, grass, molasses, pine,citrus, wood, lime, bread, soy. Taste medium sweet, medium+ bitter and salty. Body is medium, texture is oily, carbonation is average. Finishes alcoholic and astringent.


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