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Alesmith Speedway The Shit...is back...


read 5676 times | 134 replies | posted 11/3/2009 3:52:12 PM
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illinismitty 1795:224
Originally posted by cquiroga
Originally posted by shigadeyo
I still want to know why Hudepohl 14-K Premium and Hudy 14-K have two different entries in the database. It’s the same beer although the contract brewer has changed, but this is no different than Hudy Delight, Burger Classic, Burger Lite, Little King’s, etc. I have sent it to the admins several times, but no response or update...


Those beers are too low-profile for anyone to care.


then that blows the argument that the desired outcome is a streamlined, consistent, and accurate database.
11/4/2009 9:01:47 AM

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JoeMcPhee 5000:262
Originally posted by illinismitty
Originally posted by cquiroga
Originally posted by shigadeyo
I still want to know why Hudepohl 14-K Premium and Hudy 14-K have two different entries in the database. It’s the same beer although the contract brewer has changed, but this is no different than Hudy Delight, Burger Classic, Burger Lite, Little King’s, etc. I have sent it to the admins several times, but no response or update...


Those beers are too low-profile for anyone to care.


then that blows the argument that the desired outcome is a streamlined, consistent, and accurate database.


It actually has to do with the fact that if you alias one to the other, you lose the brewer relationship that was there the first time.
11/4/2009 9:02:58 AM

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kp 8400:11
Originally posted by MrManning
It sounds like a new entry to me. If a completely different coffee is added, it will change the beer in many ways, much like a different barrell.

A different barrel will make a big change in a beer. Not just a different brand or a different liquor/wine, but even different barrels or the same substance. Different generations of the same barrel (1st use, 2nd use, etc) will also change a beer significantly. Different amounts of time in the barrel will also have dramatic effects.

I think every different batch of beer should be a new rating!
Who’s with me?

And regarding the English cask/non-cask separation, if the same rules were applied to American beers then Budweiser along with several macros would be separated between bottle and draft.
11/4/2009 9:05:38 AM

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cquiroga 370:11
btw, I was joking. imo. 11/4/2009 9:33:10 AM

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LaMichael 4999:599
Originally posted by gunhaver
the brewery changed something in the recipe and gave it a new name and selling it as something new

wtf more needs to be said


how about you let the people who decide on these matters thousands of times - and know how to make the decision - make the decision. novel idea!
11/4/2009 10:03:52 AM

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wickedpete 627:5
Originally posted by kp
A different barrel will make a big change in a beer. Not just a different brand or a different liquor/wine, but even different barrels or the same substance. Different generations of the same barrel (1st use, 2nd use, etc) will also change a beer significantly. Different amounts of time in the barrel will also have dramatic effects.


I would disagree that different barrels will change the beer significantly. Look at the Ola Dubhs, those all taste the same, no matter how old the barrel for each was.
11/4/2009 10:05:58 AM

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STLWill 0:0
Originally posted by mj

how about you let the people who decide on these matters thousands of times - and know how to make the decision - make the decision. novel idea!


How about someone layout the "listing policies" that mj referred to in an earlier post. If we really have guidelines for this already, wouldn’t stating them answer many of the questions asked in this thread?
11/4/2009 10:44:15 AM

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LaMichael 4999:599
there is some information in the FAQ regarding cask/dry-hopped and barrel-aged beer listing policies. wet-hopped beers and those which change a secondary ingredient are still being hashed out, and I’ll stop before I say anything that sounds too official, but Oakes has already said that he will consider what the precedents are and make a call accordingly. most (well probably all) reasons for and against separation in cases like this one have been made before by admins in private discussion. generally we have guidelines that make it clear for most cases what is and isn’t a new beer, but because brewers are always trying new things, you can imagine cases where a hard set of rules would not be preferred over a human being with experience in these matters. 11/4/2009 10:57:42 AM

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gunhaver 1025:13
Originally posted by mj
Originally posted by gunhaver
the brewery changed something in the recipe and gave it a new name and selling it as something new

wtf more needs to be said


how about you let the people who decide on these matters thousands of times - and know how to make the decision - make the decision. novel idea!

i’m smarter than those people
11/4/2009 11:40:19 AM

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Odeed 1673:14
well one admins argument last time was that it wasnt commercially available,this time its the "its only a coffee change".
then again,most admins wont be getting any and every admin must be able to rate a beer that will potentially make to the number 1 spot in the top 50.

p.s.
iso of the 12 different beer geek beers that are all in the database.

eye roll
11/4/2009 11:46:02 AM

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