Originally posted by kryptic
Originally posted by hophead84
Originally posted by kryptic
4 years ago, the top 100 on BA and RB was filled with rare one offs and over hyped beers, rare beer on ebay was already in full swing just as it is today, albiet with less rare beers in total, becasue there were less beers considered "rare" back then, but there were still hundreds of rare craft beer listings on any given day. People in the forums were just as interested and in many cases obsessed with getting the rarest whale, one offs, etc. they could get. Trade forums were filled with "auctions" for the best offer for their rare gems.
Nothing has changed. The scene has just grown bigger, and thus with more people and rare beers, its a bit (but not much, honestly) more visible now.
Jul 26, 2007
Sep 3, 2007
Joined: Aug 16, 2010 at ratebeer
Why would I go over to BA to track down his BA profile? This is Ratebeer.
And the fact that he has been around BA for 5 years makes his statement just strange. Like he is remembering a past that didnít exist or has created a past in his mind that is drastically different from reality.
Strangely enough, Ratebeer doesnít actually equal time in the scene. I have Thomas Hardyís in my cellar that I personally put there in 1993. Iíve been homebrewing since 1994. I am friends with many brewers, with a wide variety of thoughts on this topic. Iíve lurked on Ratebeer for years though sadly, i didnít join until i started trading.
That said, i still stand by my statements that the world changed 4 years ago.
Prior to 4 years ago:
- We did not have the bruery reserve society, crooked stave cellar reserve, etc.
- Very few bottles of beer sold for more than $100 (020202 and Sam Adams Millennium are the only 2 i can think of...both of which i bought on ebay for a fraction of what they are today).
- Beatification and Cantillon were shelf beers
- Limited releases were attended by locals, sold out in a day or two, and people in other parts of the country didnít know to care.
- I was excited because someone on a trip and came back with a bottle of Wisconsin Red which was a total novelty.
So, as an old timer, tell me which of those statements above arenít true?
Now, the beer world is nationwide and global. Youíve got tasting groups from all over the world each wanting 1 or 2 bottles from every release in another region.
And iíd even argue with the point that only a couple breweries have made it because of the hype. True, only some ahve reached the brew-god status of Hill Farmstead, but many breweries have seen benefits from this. Lawsonís is sought after nationwide. Heck, even something like Funkwerks. Before theyíd even opened, I sent 2 cases of their Saison out as extras to traders all over the country.
The last 4 years have seen a complete paradigm shift in the beer world. Ebay is part of that shift, but the lack of ebay wonít stop it. You said yourself that there are more people vieing for the same beers. Iíd argue that thatís a gross understatement. People and tasting groups didnít even know about these beers from other regions, now they all want one. The exponential growth in seeking out crazy, limited worldwide beers has ramped far faster then brewers can handle it. But every brewery, from the Russian Riverís to the Funkwerkís have benefited from it.
The past 4 years has changed the beer scene more then the previous 20.