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Arrogant Bastard Clone. . . Sort of

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Steve_0
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beers 3424 º places 142 º 08:42 Tue 11/13/2012

Ok guys, I want to brew an arrogant bastard-type beer or India Red Ale, if you will for the holidays. It doesnít have to be an exact replica, just want it to be somewhat similar, or in the same style. I have done a little research and found/came-up with a couple recipes.



Please take a look and let me know what you would change for each of them and which one you think would be best. Also, I am an extract brewer (havenít made the jump to AG) and all of the recipes will be dry-hopped after primary fermentation for 7-14 days. Here they are:

Recipe 1

Batch Size: 5 gal

OG: 1.080

FG: 1.018

9lbs Briess Golden Light DME (90%) - 4lbs early, 5lbs late addition

1.5 lb Special B (10%)

1 oz Chinook (60)

1 oz Chinook (30)

1 oz Chinook (15)

1 oz Chinook (flameout)

2 units Irish Ale yeastYeast

1 Whirfloc tablet



Recipe 2

Batch Size: 5 gal

OG: 1.080

FG: 1.020

3.00 lb Amber D.M.E.

0.50 lb Belgian Special "B"

0.50 lb Belgian aromatic malt

0.50 lb Belgian biscuit

0.50 lb CaraMunich

5.00 lb Light D.M.E.

0.30 lb Pale Chocolate

1.00 oz Chinook(75 minutes)

1.50 oz Chinook(45 minutes)

1.00 oz Chinook(20 Minutes)

1.00 oz Chinook(flameout)

2 units Irish Ale Yeast

1 Whirfloc tablet



Probably going to dry-hop with Simcoe, as I have quite a bit leftover from a previous brew. Let me know what you guys think or what you would change.



Cheers!

 
Cobra
beers 1100 º places 24 º 08:47 Tue 11/13/2012

By the way, Stone brewing has the recipe for Arrogant Bastard on their website. At least they used to.

 
NobleSquirrel
beers 3438 º places 209 º 12:08 Tue 11/13/2012

Iíd never use 1.5lbs of Special B in a beer, much less a hoppy one. Also, the best way to brew with extract is to use the palest extract you can and then use Specialty malts to do the rest. Itís the most fermentable and gives you the most control, imo.

 
Steve_0
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beers 3424 º places 142 º 12:10 Tue 11/13/2012

I only used 0.5 lbs of Special B and I had brewed it before without any issues, but I appreciate the input, I will take it into consideration.

 
NobleSquirrel
beers 3438 º places 209 º 13:50 Tue 11/13/2012

Originally posted by Steve_0
I only used 0.5 lbs of Special B and I had brewed it before without any issues, but I appreciate the input, I will take it into consideration.


Yeah, just was thinking that using 300% as much would make this a really not good beer. But thatís just my opinion.

 
t0rin0
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beers 72 º places 1508 º 08:34 Wed 11/14/2012

Originally posted by Cobra
By the way, Stone brewing has the recipe for Arrogant Bastard on their website. At least they used to.


I doubt that.

 
Quasimodo
beers 217 º 08:48 Wed 11/14/2012

Arrogant Bastard is a recipe Stone wonít reveal. They are quite generous with some of their other recipes.

 
Unclerudy
beers 12 º places 3 º 09:46 Wed 11/14/2012

Lots of chinook. And if you want to do an Oaked Arrogant Bastard clone, they use light toasted American oak chips. But for the recipe, when I was at Stone last year, they told us Arrogant Bastard only had 2 types of grains in it. And I saw lots of Muntons bags everywhere, but I didnít get the chance to see which Crystal malt they had on hand.

 
Steve_0
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beers 3424 º places 142 º 10:31 Wed 11/14/2012

So which recipe would everyone here use? And does everyone think 1.5lbs of Special B, as listed in the first recipe, is too much?

 
Quasimodo
beers 217 º 10:40 Wed 11/14/2012

1.5 pounds of special B is waaaaay too much special B. 8oz provides a relatively strong raisin flavor. I could not imagine 3x that amount. Iím not sure they use special B at all. Itís been a long time since I had AB, but I donít recall it tasting like raisins. Does it?

 
Unclerudy
beers 12 º places 3 º 10:44 Wed 11/14/2012

Probably just use some Crystal 80.

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