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wunderbier 1267:16
I’m still not sure I know what you’re asking about. As I understand it, conditioning is the carbonation process, usually referring to a second fermentation by the yeast upon being fed new sugars. Certainly using kräusen beer or capping early could fall under this term as well. Bulk aging is simply to store fermented beer in a carbonated or uncarbonated state, allowing it to improve prior to packaging.

Cask conditioning is the traditional British manner of serving real ale that can be done in stainless steel casks and lined wooden casks. Barrel aging is bulk aging done in wooden barrels to pick up wood, wine, spirit, or ’wild’ characteristics.

Barrel conditioning is...real ale served from a wine barrel? confused
7/1/2009 10:18:28 AM

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springcreekale 11:2
I was asking about conditioning- not aging- I am aware of the difference- my question was related to whether or not there were any benefits to conditioning a beer (second fermentation) in wood vs metal, and secondly- if anyone had any experience then aging an IPA for a few weeks in a wooden casks-thumbs up

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ratman197 3193:103
They do have bungs and the ones at Boscos I have tapped by pounding the faucet into a bung.
Originally posted by absolutesites
Originally posted by ratman197
I’ve seen them(SS Casks) at Great Divide, Avery and Boscos in Tenn.

Originally posted by absolutesites
Originally posted by springcreekale
Correction: I am actualy toying with the idea of "Cask Conditioning" an IPA, not barrel aging. I am wondering if there are any advantages in using wood vs. metal.




So . . . you are going to serve it from this container?

Can’t say as I’ve ever heard of SS casks and I don’t see how they would make sense in the serving of "real ales" and unless you are a cellar master or have experience with cask-conditioning ales, I wouldn’t think that this was a good idea at all.



SS "casks" are not casks unless they can breathe and have bungs.

Do they?
7/1/2009 6:46:15 PM

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ratman197 3193:103
When its relitivly fresh the hops overpower any malt, thats why the have never won any awards as a Barleywine.
Originally posted by absolutesites
Originally posted by ratman197
What would you call Hog Heaven?
Originally posted by absolutesites
Originally posted by springcreekale
So whats the difference between a barleywine and a 2IPA by your definition?


Barleywine: Medium-heavy to heavy body, more malt than hop forward, bitter.

IIPA: Medium body, hop forward with little to no malt in sight, bitter.





Hog Heaven is OBVIOUSLY a barleywine. A beer with a medium-heavy body, more malty than hoppy, and bitter.
7/1/2009 6:48:14 PM

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rpattinson 83:0
Originally posted by wavers1
the original ipas were in fact traditionally aged in glass, but there was obviously a few people using barrels.


What’s your source for this and what period are you talking about? I’ve never come across a single mention of any beer being aged in glass before 1900. IPA for sale in the UK certainly wasn’t. And IPA was shipped to India in wooden hogsheads. I’ve seen plenty of documentary evidence for that. They had enough trouble getting sturdy wooden barrels all that way in one piece. Glass containers would have been a nightmare.
7/2/2009 9:07:45 AM

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Originally posted by rpattinson
Originally posted by wavers1
the original ipas were in fact traditionally aged in glass, but there was obviously a few people using barrels.


What’s your source for this and what period are you talking about? I’ve never come across a single mention of any beer being aged in glass before 1900. IPA for sale in the UK certainly wasn’t. And IPA was shipped to India in wooden hogsheads. I’ve seen plenty of documentary evidence for that. They had enough trouble getting sturdy wooden barrels all that way in one piece. Glass containers would have been a nightmare.


Add to this that most beer going to India (and other parts of the empire) most probably had at least a slight Brett character to it due to the transport vessels and it’s easy to figure out that the IPAs that we are used to today are most probably NOTHING like the originals.
7/2/2009 9:12:34 AM

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Originally posted by absolutesites
Originally posted by rpattinson
Originally posted by wavers1
the original ipas were in fact traditionally aged in glass, but there was obviously a few people using barrels.


What’s your source for this and what period are you talking about? I’ve never come across a single mention of any beer being aged in glass before 1900. IPA for sale in the UK certainly wasn’t. And IPA was shipped to India in wooden hogsheads. I’ve seen plenty of documentary evidence for that. They had enough trouble getting sturdy wooden barrels all that way in one piece. Glass containers would have been a nightmare.


Add to this that most beer going to India (and other parts of the empire) most probably had at least a slight Brett character to it due to the transport vessels and it’s easy to figure out that the IPAs that we are used to today are most probably NOTHING like the originals.


(Bretanomyces means British mold)
7/2/2009 10:05:49 AM

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wavers1 129:30
Originally posted by rpattinson
Originally posted by wavers1
the original ipas were in fact traditionally aged in glass, but there was obviously a few people using barrels.


What’s your source for this and what period are you talking about? I’ve never come across a single mention of any beer being aged in glass before 1900. IPA for sale in the UK certainly wasn’t. And IPA was shipped to India in wooden hogsheads. I’ve seen plenty of documentary evidence for that. They had enough trouble getting sturdy wooden barrels all that way in one piece. Glass containers would have been a nightmare.



i’ve heard that several places, including twice while studying history that wasn’t about beer, but happened to mention that. as darkguardian said in the post following that, it is split depending whos version of history it is. its undeniable that both glass and wood were used. ipa wasn’t made to sell in the uk, it was made to drink in india. it was also being made well before 1900. being a glass artist i completely agree glass would be more difficult. as someone stated reight around my post, they were in large culinders secured to the walls as they are slidden into wooden rings/grooves, very secure actually. but as a glass artist i can also say that historically people have gone through some shit to use glass instead of other mediums, like the beer industry before and since then has. the benefits can be obtained by almost no other medium, hence it is still the #1 choice for beer and liquor makers today. the egyptians new this, the colonialists knew this. history shows that only the most wealthy could afford to have glass for storage anywhere at that time, much less on a ship. so now if i think a lil more, i was off in my original wording. probably no, most were not in glass, as most wouldn’t have been able to afford it. i stand corrected.thumbs up
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Originally posted by ratman197
Great Divides 15th Anniversary wood aged DIPA is very tasty. Sorry

mmm, sugar and resin soup!
7/2/2009 1:55:48 PM

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rpattinson 83:0
Originally posted by wavers1
i’ve heard that several places, including twice while studying history that wasn’t about beer, but happened to mention that. as darkguardian said in the post following that, it is split depending whos version of history it is. its undeniable that both glass and wood were used. ipa wasn’t made to sell in the uk, it was made to drink in india. it was also being made well before 1900. being a glass artist i completely agree glass would be more difficult. as someone stated reight around my post, they were in large culinders secured to the walls as they are slidden into wooden rings/grooves, very secure actually. but as a glass artist i can also say that historically people have gone through some shit to use glass instead of other mediums, like the beer industry before and since then has. the benefits can be obtained by almost no other medium, hence it is still the #1 choice for beer and liquor makers today. the egyptians new this, the colonialists knew this. history shows that only the most wealthy could afford to have glass for storage anywhere at that time, much less on a ship. so now if i think a lil more, i was off in my original wording. probably no, most were not in glass, as most wouldn’t have been able to afford it. i stand corrected.thumbs up


Can you give a specific source? I’m talking of the period 1800 - 1900.

I can provide these sources for IPA being shipped in wooden barrels:

"Scottish Ale Brewer" Roberts, 1847.
"The Brewer" William Loftus, 1856.
"The Times" reporting the price of hogsheads of beer at Indian ports. (1850’s)

That’s primary sources. As secondary sources I would quote:

"Amber, Gold & Black" by Martyn Cornell.
"Hops & Glory" by Pete Brown.

From at least the 1830’s onwards, IPA was sold in the UK.
7/2/2009 3:37:09 PM

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