Brewing with Citra for the first time

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SamGamgee
beers 2452 º places 182 º 09:12 Sun 11/11/2012

What color is the crystal? Caramalt is just a 30-37L crystal malt (if itís Simpsons that you are talking about, at least). We use it in IPAs to very good effect, but at a very low amount, like 1-3% of total. 10% is way to high for any specialty malt in a pale ale as far as Iím concerned. If youíve got some good pale malt (especially of its a darker color like maris otter can be) you dont really need any, but it can still be fine at low levels. Just depends on the flavor that you are going for.

 
cgarvieuk
beers 20415 º places 213 º 09:17 Sun 11/11/2012

Originally posted by Gazza
Donít use the crystal, itíll ruin the hops - taste 95% of US IPAís to see that. All you need is low-colour Maris Otter and a bit of wheat malt.


yeah no Crystal please and id like a bottle :-)

 
harrisoni
beers 16837 º places 32 º 10:11 Sun 11/11/2012

Its certainly the best aroma of a beer i have brewed (all of 7) 36 hours in. Really interested to see what the crystal does to the beer. yes i know the advice is against it but sometimes you have to do something to know why not too. still got 50g of citra for the dry hopping.

 
harrisoni
beers 16837 º places 32 º 10:12 Sun 11/11/2012

Originally posted by cgarvieuk
Originally posted by Gazza
Donít use the crystal, itíll ruin the hops - taste 95% of US IPAís to see that. All you need is low-colour Maris Otter and a bit of wheat malt.


yeah no Crystal please and id like a bottle :-)


only if its any good.

 
cgarvieuk
beers 20415 º places 213 º 10:38 Sun 11/11/2012

Originally posted by harrisoni
Originally posted by cgarvieuk
Originally posted by Gazza
Donít use the crystal, itíll ruin the hops - taste 95% of US IPAís to see that. All you need is low-colour Maris Otter and a bit of wheat malt.


yeah no Crystal please and id like a bottle :-)


only if its any good.


i can live with that :-) bit its more likly yo be good without Crystal malt, im more and more convinced that 90% of what i dont like in American IPAs is the crstal

 
bitbucket
beers 2165 º places 63 º 14:27 Sun 11/11/2012

Originally posted by Gazza
Originally posted by harrisoni
OK, so I would have not used Crystal but the homebrew shop was out of caramalt. But itís only 500g out of 5kilos

Thatís still 10%, way too much. Honestly, itíll just dull the superb tropical fruit...

Caramalt is OK, but do you really need it? IMO no. But itís your beer!

OH, GAWD! Not another Crystal vs Caramel thread. Crystal IS a Caramel malt.

 
Erlangernick
beers 1 º places 2 º 23:46 Sun 11/11/2012

Originally posted by cgarvieuk
Originally posted by harrisoni
Originally posted by cgarvieuk
Originally posted by Gazza
Donít use the crystal, itíll ruin the hops - taste 95% of US IPAís to see that. All you need is low-colour Maris Otter and a bit of wheat malt.


yeah no Crystal please and id like a bottle :-)


only if its any good.


i can live with that :-) bit its more likly yo be good without Crystal malt, im more and more convinced that 90% of what i dont like in American IPAs is the crstal




I think we have SNCA to thank for the epidemic of ill-designed American IPAs. Anchor, OTOH were on to something when they made the original A(I)PA without significant dark malts.

 
Gazza
beers 726 º places 164 º 04:52 Mon 11/12/2012

Originally posted by bitbucket
OH, GAWD! Not another Crystal vs Caramel thread. Crystal IS a Caramel malt.

It is, but the flavour profiles of cara v crystal are totally different. Cara is 25EBC (Fawcetts is, anyhow) whilst most Crystal malts are 130EBC. Cara gives body and a hint of flavour whereas crystal gives toffee, caramel and ruins hop character.

As has been said, with UK Maris Otter you just donít need the extra flavour from darker malts although itís down to the specs of the beer as to what flavour is required.

 
joeneugs
beers 5450 º places 222 º 07:04 Mon 11/12/2012

A little Munich works well in place of crystal malt if you want a bit more malt complexity without making it too sweet. 10% or less though.

 
Gazza
beers 726 º places 164 º 07:23 Mon 11/12/2012

If you need body and malt flavour then Iíd stick in 5-10% Weyermann Melanoidin, does the trick and no toffee flavours.

Itís magic!!!

(Well, not really, but I love the stuff. And you can eat it).

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