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Brewing with Citra for the first time


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SamGamgee 2452:182
Originally posted by Gazza
Originally posted by bitbucket
OH, GAWD! Not another Crystal vs Caramel thread. Crystal IS a Caramel malt.

It is, but the flavour profiles of cara v crystal are totally different. Cara is 25EBC (Fawcetts is, anyhow) whilst most Crystal malts are 130EBC. Cara gives body and a hint of flavour whereas crystal gives toffee, caramel and ruins hop character.

As has been said, with UK Maris Otter you just donít need the extra flavour from darker malts although itís down to the specs of the beer as to what flavour is required.


OK, I get ya now. So itís darker crystal malts that you find objective. 130EBC crystal is what Sierra Nevada uses in their pale ale and Celebration from what Iíve been told (but weíd call it 60L here). Seems like caramalt is what UK maltsters call their pale crystal/caramel which I think are the only ones that work well in IPA at least. We use Simpsons, which is about 60-70 EBC, so still darker than Fawcetts but half the color of the darker stuff. Bear Republic and Stone are two west coast brewers that use caramel malts in the 25EBC range in their IPAs to good effect as well.
11/12/2012 11:06:01 AM

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harrisoni 13288:21
I may have a wee taste out of the fermenter this evening. Itíll be interesting to see what affect the crystal has made.
11/13/2012 6:27:02 AM

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robrules 1
My view of Citra is that it has a bigger impact when using by itself for aroma/flavor than with other varieties. A small % of something else like centennial or chinook along with a large % of citra is ok too. But whenever I use them in more equal proportions with other hops, citra seems to get jealous and kills all the hop character turning it into a gentle melon flavor. YMMV.





As far as crystal malt is concerned, the amount of crystal used has a bigger impact than the lovibond. For example I find it better to get a little color using a very small % (%) of 40-60L cyrstal vs. using a larger amount of 15-20L cyrstal. Each type of crystal will give different flavors so its going to depend on what you are shooting for really.
11/13/2012 9:12:09 AM

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harrisoni 13288:21
Well itís hoppy. Quite bitter on the finish. Yes some toffee sweetness, but some biscuit I think is going to come through. I plan a 2 week fermentation/secondary tank so it should give it time to sort itself out. Mostly lime is the fruit flavour that comes through most. Anyway if itís rubbish at least Iíll know never to use crystal again.
11/13/2012 10:51:40 AM

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Quasimodo 217:
There are many IPA drinkers who donít want any Crystal in their IPA. However, Crystal is used in plenty of IPAs and PAs that you probably like. You might have used too much of it this time around, unless you like the result.
11/13/2012 11:56:42 AM

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harrisoni 13288:21
So the proof of the pudding is in the eating, or in this case the proof of the beer is in drinking the damn thing.

Itís only been bottled for a week and needs another week I think to gain some character, but I had to decide whether to take a bottle to London tomorrow for a Ratebeer get to gether and I wanted to know if it was good enough to take.

Hazy bronze colour (I didnít use any finings) lasting thin off white head. Aroma of some toffee and some green leafy hops. Mouthfeel is ok but will be better given another week, but still happy with the carbonation from the secondary fermentation in the bottle. Some ok orange fruit, quite a bit of toffee and even some milk chocolate and then some bitterness on the finish. Needs at least another week I think to sharpen up some of the flavours and the mouthfeel.

What have I learnt from beer no. 7 which is also all grain no. 2?

I need to improve my boil to fermenter transfer, 5 gallons of hot liquid is quite difficult to handle sometimes.
I need not to brew with Crystal malt.
Citra hops are quite nice.
I can get a decent efficency from my mash
I need to let my beers get at least 2 weeks age on them before trying them.
On some of my beers Iíve got a slight bleachy aroma and I donít know what it is. Doesnt carry over into the flavour. Just a bit of plastic/bleach.

Most of all, Iíve learnt that I can brew a beer!!!!
11/30/2012 12:51:36 PM

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BBB63 5966:135
Originally posted by harrisoni
Most of all, Iíve learnt that I can brew a beer!!!!


11/30/2012 2:03:34 PM

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BBB63 5966:135
I bittered for the first time with UK Phoenix, pleased with the results so far.
11/30/2012 2:06:43 PM

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