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Can dry hopping add bitterness?


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SamGamgee 1435:86
I remember an article by John Palmer in BYO a while back where he says that dry hoppin can add to the perception of bitterness b adding compounds other than iso-alpha acids that are bitter. Maybe I was only through exceptionally long steeping time though. I’ll have to try and dig it up. 11/11/2009 10:25:56 AM

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theisti 1661:114
Originally posted by ketchepillar
Yea, put a hop pellet in your mouth evil grin

I did a Lakefront tour in like 1993 and there was a Japanese dude on the tour who spoke really no English. The Lakefront guys passed around the malted barley to taste. Then, passed around the hops for people to smell. Well, I think we all know what happened next. It was everything I had in me not too laugh. I still can see his face clearly 16 years later.
11/11/2009 10:30:10 AM

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flabeer :1
Originally posted by NobleSquirrel
Originally posted by flabeer
To answer your question, just put a hop cone or pellet in your
mouth. The answer will be obvious. Yes.


That’s not exactly accurate. The alpha acids don’t go into solution when you dry hop...

The question is "Can dry hopping add bitterness".
The answer is still yes. Make a hop tea with cold water. Drink it. It will be bitter!
11/11/2009 10:20:17 PM

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Degarth :0
The words dry hopping can add bitterness. The power of suggestion on perception is incredible. As an example Big Sound Scotch Ale has ZERO peat and in fact ZERO smoked malt in it. But people see "Scotch Ale" and so there are gobs of ratings referencing peat even though there is not only not peat, but not any form of smoked malt in the malt bill. I’m not saying people didn’t actually taste what they said they tasted, I’m just saying what they tasted wasn’t in the recipe so perception came into play.

So imo the only way not to get at least perceived bitterness from dry hopping is to keep it quiet wink
11/11/2009 10:39:31 PM

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danielst 145:0
Originally posted by theisti
Originally posted by ketchepillar
Yea, put a hop pellet in your mouth evil grin

I did a Lakefront tour in like 1993 and there was a Japanese dude on the tour who spoke really no English. The Lakefront guys passed around the malted barley to taste. Then, passed around the hops for people to smell. Well, I think we all know what happened next. It was everything I had in me not too laugh. I still can see his face clearly 16 years later.


Worst thing is it’s a looooooooong lasting sensation laughing
11/12/2009 3:13:30 AM

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kp 8399:11
Originally posted by wunderbier
Originally posted by kp
I’ve also experienced an aggressive use of dry hopping that imparts a grassy character. Has anyone else experienced this? Would you consider that a bitterness?

Have experienced it, but nah, it’s astringency, which falls under mouthfeel. It comes from the tannins present in hops and most any plant matter.

Any more thoughts on the relationship between astringency and bitterness?
11/12/2009 11:23:16 AM

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wunderbier 1267:16
Originally posted by kp
Originally posted by wunderbier
Originally posted by kp
I’ve also experienced an aggressive use of dry hopping that imparts a grassy character. Has anyone else experienced this? Would you consider that a bitterness?

Have experienced it, but nah, it’s astringency, which falls under mouthfeel. It comes from the tannins present in hops and most any plant matter.

Any more thoughts on the relationship between astringency and bitterness?

Well, a lot of people call astringency bitterness because they don’t know there’s a difference. And in some cultures astringency is considered a basic taste. We’re always learning more about our own senses, but right now the understanding is that we have taste receptors for sweet, salty, sour/acidic, bitter and umami/savory. I’ve heard of fat claimed as a basic taste, but haven’t read anything to support the claim. It wouldn’t surprise me though.

But astringency is detected by the somatosensory system i.e. touch. My basic understanding is that taste receptors (inside of taste buds, which are inside of different papillae) are fundamentally a different part of the body than nerve endings in the somatosensory system. And obviously taste receptors are isolated to the mouth. If you’ve ever used rose water as an aftershave, then you’ll know that astringency can be felt most anywhere on the body. Also, I’m pretty sure that taste and touch in the mouth are relayed to the brain by completely different nerves.

Yes, I had more thoughts, apparently. pax
11/12/2009 11:58:51 AM

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Cobra 1061:23
No. Dry hopping only adds aromatics. Basically it smells hoppier than it really is. 11/12/2009 12:00:54 PM

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NobleSquirrel 1107:55
Originally posted by flabeer
Originally posted by NobleSquirrel
Originally posted by flabeer
To answer your question, just put a hop cone or pellet in your
mouth. The answer will be obvious. Yes.


That’s not exactly accurate. The alpha acids don’t go into solution when you dry hop...

The question is "Can dry hopping add bitterness".
The answer is still yes. Make a hop tea with cold water. Drink it. It will be bitter!


no, it will be astringent.
11/12/2009 12:33:58 PM

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absolutesites 2:0
Originally posted by flabeer
Originally posted by NobleSquirrel
Originally posted by flabeer
To answer your question, just put a hop cone or pellet in your
mouth. The answer will be obvious. Yes.


That’s not exactly accurate. The alpha acids don’t go into solution when you dry hop...

The question is "Can dry hopping add bitterness".
The answer is still yes. Make a hop tea with cold water. Drink it. It will be bitter!


Both of these examples are . . . how should I say it . . . stupid.

Yep . . . that’s it.

Stupid.

Dry hopping a beer will NOT add bitterness.

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11/12/2009 1:40:05 PM

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