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Hill Farmstead policy on eBaying and Ephraim launch


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CheesedMan 555:12
Originally posted by CLevar
Originally posted by Cletus
Originally posted by CLevar
Some of you guys are nuts.

Hill Farmstead wont allow off site consumption of some of their beers, and you go off on a rant hoping they get shut down when a drunk frat boy who attended the release gets messed up and decides to drive?

You do realize you could sound like a couple of butt hurt beer geeks who are pissed because you wont get to trade/ebay for the latest hyped beer, and are therefore wishing the brewery ill?

Could HF have been a little more tact with some of their statements? Sure. But this reaction from parts of the beer community is just sickening, and reinforces some of what HF has said regarding said community.


Iíve never traded or Ebayed any of their beer and have only had their beer a handful of times. If they want Ephraim to stay local because of QC and hooking up their locals, good for them. If they want to continue to hype up every one of their one offs, then turn around and say you can only consume it at the brewery, that is encouraging irresponsible behavior and putting your own ideals ahead of safety.


This is why I said "could sound like" in my post

In any case, why assume the worst, and say that they are encouraging irresponsible behavior? I would like to believe that a persons actions are their own: If someone goes to the brewery and drinks too much/doesnít plan ahead, its on their own head. I donít see why it is necessary to come down on the brewery here.


That is simply not correct, but that is indeed another discussion for a different thread.
7/17/2012 9:25:36 AM

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puzzl 3251:138
Originally posted by DA
Originally posted by puzzl
Terroir is not the word you are looking for. The only terroir in the vast majority of beer, including Seanís, is the water. He is not growing his own grain or hops.

What about local yeast and bacteria? or other locally acquired ingredients?


He isnít brewing with local yeast and bacteria AFAIK. And locally acquired ingredients such as herbs grown in town does not give a beer terroir, sorry.
7/17/2012 9:31:42 AM

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DA 1
Iím pretty sure he is doing at least some beers with local yeast, at least the Flora is billed as such. But could you argue that local bacteria activity during cooling / during early fermentation could be terroir, even though it would hold true for any brewery? Itís effects may be minor, but that seems to be part of terroir, so who knows.

Also, Iíve yet to make it to the Farmstead, but if he grew his own herbs would that satisfy your terroir definition?

Iím more just trying to get a sense of peoples definition of terroir.
7/17/2012 10:11:28 AM

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joet 2172:91
Originally posted by puzzl
Originally posted by DA
Originally posted by puzzl
Terroir is not the word you are looking for. The only terroir in the vast majority of beer, including Seanís, is the water. He is not growing his own grain or hops.

What about local yeast and bacteria? or other locally acquired ingredients?


He isnít brewing with local yeast and bacteria AFAIK. And locally acquired ingredients such as herbs grown in town does not give a beer terroir, sorry.


Shaun is barrel aging extensively which means local microflora may/will seep through the staves and infect the beer with some kind of subtle character.

Is this terroir? Water and airborne microflora on top of everything else? I couldnít say so without a smirk.
7/17/2012 10:14:50 AM

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Cletus 6354:233
Originally posted by DA
Iím pretty sure he is doing at least some beers with local yeast, at least the Flora is billed as such. But could you argue that local bacteria activity during cooling / during early fermentation could be terroir, even though it would hold true for any brewery? Itís effects may be minor, but that seems to be part of terroir, so who knows.

Also, Iíve yet to make it to the Farmstead, but if he grew his own herbs would that satisfy your terroir definition?

Iím more just trying to get a sense of peoples definition of terroir.


If they are leaving their beers out to ferment on their own, that can be terroir. The oak barrels used and the microbiology of those barrels is another example of terroir. Water composition as mentioned above is as well. Growing some herbs and adding them to your beer is not. Terroir has to do with things like microclimate, soil composition, topography, the type of rock formations under and around what you are growing and other factors related to growing that for the most part are out of the control of humans. Terroir is most commonly associated with wine grapes, but it can also apply to tea.

None of these examples include experiencing the finished product at its place of production. That is a reflection of sense and perception. Not terroir.
7/17/2012 10:22:31 AM

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DA 1
Originally posted by Cletus
None of these examples include experiencing the finished product at its place of production. That is a reflection of sense and perception. Not terroir.

Yah, Iím not saying it is. I was just asking about Terrior since it was brought up.
7/17/2012 10:32:04 AM

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SPDickerman 954:89
I side with Hill on the eBay thing, but trading is vital to the life of craft beer around the world.
7/17/2012 11:29:34 AM

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tbadiuk 10:1
Iím fairly certain that no small part of why HF beers taste so awesome is partly due to the pristine, isolated location. Think about it...

That is, Iím sure S.H. is an excellent brewer, but there is something magical at play at H.F.

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7/17/2012 11:31:50 AM

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puzzl 3251:138
Originally posted by DA
Iím pretty sure he is doing at least some beers with local yeast, at least the Flora is billed as such. But could you argue that local bacteria activity during cooling / during early fermentation could be terroir, even though it would hold true for any brewery? Itís effects may be minor, but that seems to be part of terroir, so who knows.

Also, Iíve yet to make it to the Farmstead, but if he grew his own herbs would that satisfy your terroir definition?

Iím more just trying to get a sense of peoples definition of terroir.


He doesnít grow his own herbs, and even if he did, no it absolutely would not satisfy my definition of terroir. Nor would miniscule amounts of airborne microflora making its way into his barrels. The only beers Iíd say reflect any sort of terroir are proper lambics, Jolly Pumpkin, and the rare brewery who grows their own grain and hops.
7/17/2012 11:39:35 AM

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Ernesto987 3710:104
Grate. You guys should just let it brie.
7/17/2012 11:41:13 AM

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