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Hoptimum vs. another DIPA


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joeneugs 3241:148
Agreed. I had Hoptimum on draft last week and it was way better than I remember it last year. And I liked it a lot last year.
2/26/2012 9:43:33 AM

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BMan1113VR 7858:379
Sierra makes some solid hoppy beers. Period.

That said, I will take a wild guess and assume that the diacetyl bomb was an Alpine beer. If so: yup they occasionally have that problem (intermittently) , but when their beers are up to shape (tap mostly) they are exceptionally awesome.
2/26/2012 10:56:47 AM

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SamGamgee 2452:182
Itís true that brewing a great beer and packaging it well are two different things. As Iíve grown as a brewer and beer drinker, packaging has only become more and more important in my eyes. Itís really sad, but many great beers are just not packaged well.
2/26/2012 12:15:29 PM

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peteinSD 1377:57
couple points in response.

as a lay consumer with only minimal home brewing experience itís great to read the opinions of professional brewers as your knowledge adds to the site for the better. and iím really looking forward to getting my hands on some cans of elevated ipa in the future.

batch variation is more of a problem for some brewers than others. while you may have been taken aback by the flaws in your bottle, itís not fair to assume that everyone else that rated the beer drank equally flawed bottles and simply overlooked (or could not detect) those same flaws.

and yeah, youíre right that certain breweries and beers from those breweries get a pass (or at least some padding in scoring) to a certain degree based on reputation alone . . . but in the end i do believe that the rating system as a whole is a valuable tool in sussing out what beers are worth buying/trading for and which are not.
2/26/2012 2:54:38 PM

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Oregonknwsbest
Hoptimum is awesome, but canít hold a candle to Boneyards Hop Venom DIPA.
2/26/2012 3:21:33 PM

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erway 1004:41
Originally posted by BMan1113VR
Sierra makes some solid hoppy beers. Period.

That said, I will take a wild guess and assume that the diacetyl bomb was an Alpine beer. If so: yup they occasionally have that problem (intermittently) , but when their beers are up to shape (tap mostly) they are exceptionally awesome.


I have experienced this too with Alpine. That being said, it was not Alpine that I spoke of. What is troubling to me is that SOOO many of the top rated beers and breweries on this site and on BA are incredibly inconsistent because of the brewers complete inability to package their products in a competent way.

Marble brewery here, a competitor of mine I might add, is incredibly consistent. I have NEVER had diacetyl in any of their packaged products and itís because they know what they are doing. In addition their DIPA is VERY hop forward, clean and bitter as all hell. Last I checked it was in the 60th%ile for DIPAs. It is WAY better than well over 95% of the DIPAs I have had, and I have had a shitload, I would bet as many as anyone on this site. Why is it not rated higher? Simple, no hype. I only pray that when we start packaging that we are capable of packaging our beer as successfully as they have.

From a commercial brewers standpoint, it is frustrating. From a consumer standpoint, it is a disservice. This site and BA at this point do steer sales for a certain clientele. I am very directly trying to appeal to that clientele. So are a great many "higher end" brewers. The hype is antithetical to the market that all of us are trying to create.
2/26/2012 4:34:00 PM

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GhostFace 321:15
some good reading here...

I really dug Hoptimum last year and canít wait for it to hit shelves by me soon!
2/26/2012 9:27:23 PM

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robrules 1
IMO, those driving the high end craft market today just donít seem to know or care about quality indicators (or indicators of non-quality ie. obvious unintended brewing faults), and only care about big flavor. Justification of bad beer of known rock stars are just passed off as "a bad bottle". This attitude, and knowing most bottled high end craft beer sales seems to come from one time sales, allows brewers to get away with it.



One of the reasons why I looking forward to craft demand diminishing - the newbs interested mostly in the peripheral aspects of drinking beer (whale hunting, trading, limited release parties, etc.) will go away when beer isnít as trendy anymore and we will be left with more connoisseurs who value the beer and its consistent quality more than the tick or the rarity.



2/27/2012 9:45:15 AM

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NobleSquirrel 3437:209
Originally posted by erway
Originally posted by BMan1113VR
Sierra makes some solid hoppy beers. Period.

That said, I will take a wild guess and assume that the diacetyl bomb was an Alpine beer. If so: yup they occasionally have that problem (intermittently) , but when their beers are up to shape (tap mostly) they are exceptionally awesome.


I have experienced this too with Alpine. That being said, it was not Alpine that I spoke of. What is troubling to me is that SOOO many of the top rated beers and breweries on this site and on BA are incredibly inconsistent because of the brewers complete inability to package their products in a competent way.

Marble brewery here, a competitor of mine I might add, is incredibly consistent. I have NEVER had diacetyl in any of their packaged products and itís because they know what they are doing. In addition their DIPA is VERY hop forward, clean and bitter as all hell. Last I checked it was in the 60th%ile for DIPAs. It is WAY better than well over 95% of the DIPAs I have had, and I have had a shitload, I would bet as many as anyone on this site. Why is it not rated higher? Simple, no hype. I only pray that when we start packaging that we are capable of packaging our beer as successfully as they have.

From a commercial brewers standpoint, it is frustrating. From a consumer standpoint, it is a disservice. This site and BA at this point do steer sales for a certain clientele. I am very directly trying to appeal to that clientele. So are a great many "higher end" brewers. The hype is antithetical to the market that all of us are trying to create.


Diacetyl, to me, is pretty much unforgivable in a commercial produced beer. I totally agree with everything you have to say here and it is frustrating.
2/27/2012 10:08:23 AM

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Beerona97 2397:114
Originally posted by Oregonknwsbest
Hoptimum is awesome, but canít hold a candle to Boneyards Hop Venom DIPA.


I agree. The beer store I work at just went through a 1/2bbl in 2 days. I would probably even pick it over PtY in a blind tasting.
2/27/2012 10:22:32 AM

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