Oregon beer tax hike.

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Reid
beers 2235 º places 47 º 14:28 Sun 2/15/2009

It is huge.
http://www.leg.state.or.us/09reg/measpdf/hb2400.dir/hb2461.intro.pdf

This is a terrible Bill for the Oregon beer industry.
1800% increase per barrel.
But as usual wine and hard liquor are absolved from this.
The tax will go towards alcohol and drug treatment.
So why wasnt it applied to wine?
Yeah because the elitists in Salem love wine and look down on beer.

 
GodOfThunder
beers 1248 º places 37 º 15:10 Mon 2/16/2009

It is seriously time for another revolution in this country.

 
presario
beers 4902 º places 150 º 15:29 Mon 2/16/2009

Good news for Washington and California. Bad news for residents and beer tourists.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2009/02/14/or.1900.beer.tax.kgw

 
spikester
beers 604 º places 11 º 23:59 Thu 2/19/2009

I signed the beer petition against the tax hike.

 
IrishBoy
beers 4071 º places 113 º 00:32 Fri 2/20/2009

But of course no alcoholics or kids abuse wine or hard liquor; only beer!

 
JPDIPSO
beers 5381 º places 28 º 00:43 Fri 2/20/2009

Not sure what the tax are on other alcohols is, but this does seems like the "change" that is going on all over this country. I need some tea!

 
TimE
beers 4757 º places 302 º 08:51 Fri 2/20/2009

Not that in anyway I support the bill whatsoever, as I never believe in tax increases on beer (or tax increases in general). However, $49/31 gallons, hardly seems severe (about $0.47 cent/liter). It’s amazing that that is a 1800% increase in tax. It seems tax must be fairly cheap on beer.

That said, I also question the logic why beer is discriminated against and hard liquor and wine get off. That is total BS.

America still seems to have relatively low sin taxes in general compared to other developed nation.

Tim

 
cheap
beers 5112 º places 205 º 08:54 Fri 2/20/2009

Just like Pennsylvania and the US in general. The enlightened know what’s best for us and the government is now out of our control.

We got a 10% tax on beer to pay for the retirement of port authority bus drivers. You’d think the people who ride the bus should shoulder this.

 
Oakes
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beers 14841 º places 787 º 09:47 Fri 2/20/2009

Originally posted by TimE
Not that in anyway I support the bill whatsoever, as I never believe in tax increases on beer (or tax increases in general). However, $49/31 gallons, hardly seems severe (about $0.47 cent/liter). Itís amazing that that is a 1800% increase in tax. It seems tax must be fairly cheap on beer.

That said, I also question the logic why beer is discriminated against and hard liquor and wine get off. That is total BS.

America still seems to have relatively low sin taxes in general compared to other developed nation.

Tim


As an increase, that is huge, both in percentage terms and in real dollar terms. The price of a pint is estimated to go up from $4.50 to $6. That’s unbelievably bad for business. There’s going to be a lot of breweries shutting down in Oregon as they lose their ability to compete with out-of-state producers.

On an economic level, it doesn’t even take into account the full chain reaction. It’s an incredibly stupid move that has not been thought through in the slightest. The reduction in production will offset some of the tax increase right off the bat. This is a state that used to have strong production increases, adding more to the state’s coffers. Not any more. Then there’s the job loss - taxes on profits, sales, income, whatever they tax down there.

And for what? Don’t give me some crap about addiction programs. Every other jurisdiction funds those from general revenues, and I’m sure Oregon does too. The fact that they hit beer and not wine is another clear signal of intent. Wine lobbies are stronger and often better-connected. Neoprohibitionists go after beer because it’s not as well-organized, and in a state without a macro doesn’t have deep pockets either. If this bill isn’t their work, why are the people behind the bill using their tactics?

This tax hike is going to crush one of the state’s most robust industries to the benefit of nobody, except maybe the egos of some Prohibitionist whackos.

 
JoeMcPhee
beers 9169 º places 529 º 10:04 Fri 2/20/2009

Originally posted by Oakes
Originally posted by TimE
Not that in anyway I support the bill whatsoever, as I never believe in tax increases on beer (or tax increases in general). However, $49/31 gallons, hardly seems severe (about $0.47 cent/liter). Itís amazing that that is a 1800% increase in tax. It seems tax must be fairly cheap on beer.

That said, I also question the logic why beer is discriminated against and hard liquor and wine get off. That is total BS.

America still seems to have relatively low sin taxes in general compared to other developed nation.

Tim


As an increase, that is huge, both in percentage terms and in real dollar terms. The price of a pint is estimated to go up from $4.50 to $6. Thatís unbelievably bad for business. Thereís going to be a lot of breweries shutting down in Oregon as they lose their ability to compete with out-of-state producers.

On an economic level, it doesnít even take into account the full chain reaction. Itís an incredibly stupid move that has not been thought through in the slightest. The reduction in production will offset some of the tax increase right off the bat. This is a state that used to have strong production increases, adding more to the stateís coffers. Not any more. Then thereís the job loss - taxes on profits, sales, income, whatever they tax down there.

And for what? Donít give me some crap about addiction programs. Every other jurisdiction funds those from general revenues, and Iím sure Oregon does too. The fact that they hit beer and not wine is another clear signal of intent. Wine lobbies are stronger and often better-connected. Neoprohibitionists go after beer because itís not as well-organized, and in a state without a macro doesnít have deep pockets either. If this bill isnít their work, why are the people behind the bill using their tactics?

This tax hike is going to crush one of the stateís most robust industries to the benefit of nobody, except maybe the egos of some Prohibitionist whackos.

It’s not really the increase per se... it really is the size. The intent seems to be simply to punish a robust industry without any consideration for the consequences. I could see a large increase in the tax being justified and even warranted, but this just smacks of political opportunism in the worst possible way.

 
TimE
beers 4757 º places 302 º 19:07 Sat 2/21/2009

Originally posted by Oakes
Originally posted by TimE
Not that in anyway I support the bill whatsoever, as I never believe in tax increases on beer (or tax increases in general). However, $49/31 gallons, hardly seems severe (about $0.47 cent/liter). Itís amazing that that is a 1800% increase in tax. It seems tax must be fairly cheap on beer.

That said, I also question the logic why beer is discriminated against and hard liquor and wine get off. That is total BS.

America still seems to have relatively low sin taxes in general compared to other developed nation.

Tim


As an increase, that is huge, both in percentage terms and in real dollar terms. The price of a pint is estimated to go up from $4.50 to $6. Thatís unbelievably bad for business. Thereís going to be a lot of breweries shutting down in Oregon as they lose their ability to compete with out-of-state producers.

On an economic level, it doesnít even take into account the full chain reaction. Itís an incredibly stupid move that has not been thought through in the slightest. The reduction in production will offset some of the tax increase right off the bat. This is a state that used to have strong production increases, adding more to the stateís coffers. Not any more. Then thereís the job loss - taxes on profits, sales, income, whatever they tax down there.

And for what? Donít give me some crap about addiction programs. Every other jurisdiction funds those from general revenues, and Iím sure Oregon does too. The fact that they hit beer and not wine is another clear signal of intent. Wine lobbies are stronger and often better-connected. Neoprohibitionists go after beer because itís not as well-organized, and in a state without a macro doesnít have deep pockets either. If this bill isnít their work, why are the people behind the bill using their tactics?

This tax hike is going to crush one of the stateís most robust industries to the benefit of nobody, except maybe the egos of some Prohibitionist whackos.


I am curious, who came up with the $4.5 to $6 increase in the price of a pint? It would only increase taxes on a pint by about a 25 cents.

How would the tax then compare to other states and what are pint prices in those states?

Couldn’t agree more that it has to be some wine/hard liquor lobbyist behind this. It is amazing at how they are trying to sell this bill as it doesn’t even seem remotely logical. I would say beer drinkers let Ben Cannon know they agree that a 1900% increase on all alcoholic beverages is necessary to get rid of alcohol addiction. See Ben try to wiggle out of that. I would be a great idea to get someone else to propose this if Ben’s bill fails. Then see if Ben supports the bill and show what a hypocrite he really is.

Just to be clear, this bill would impact micros right? (I just can’t see everyone here getting upset if it only impacted macros). The reason I ask is because Ben’s website (last updated in Sept) said he wanted to exempt micros http://www.repbencannon.com/2009_priorities

Tim

Tim