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kdm1984 665:5
The banana/raisin bread qualities of this style really intrigue me, but Iíve noticed there is a great divide between the original British versions and the American takes on the style - American ESBs tend to taste much more like APAs or IPAs than true British ESBs. Has anyone else noticed this? I love APAs and IPAs, but I also think ESB is an interesting style, and not enough American breweries seem to really know how to approach it.
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BBB63 6051:137
English Base Malts, English Hops, English Yeast... how damn hard is that?
10/12/2012 5:52:26 PM

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kdm1984 665:5
Hard, yes, but why not just label it something different if the hops and malts canít be differentiated enough from more typical pale ales?
10/12/2012 7:20:54 PM

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JoeMcPhee 8497:508
Itís because Americans usually brew bitters with US/Canadian pale malt and it just doesnít have the character of UK malts. American brewers also tend to mash differently on their low/mid-gravity styles.
10/12/2012 7:34:50 PM

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kdm1984 665:5
Thanks, J. mike, true, they arenít as banana as hefes - banana is more of a secondary characteristic to the raisin bread one, which tends to dominate the ESB style from the English ones Iíve had so far.
10/12/2012 7:41:57 PM

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NobleSquirrel 3437:209
Paging Ron Pattinson. To put all English Esb into a single class is a shame. Iíve had a few hop forward English Esb that donít really have the character youíre talking about. It mostly comes down to malt selection (crystal) and fermentation. Personally I prefer less fruity notes and more hop and malt flavor.
10/13/2012 6:34:38 AM

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keanex 1460:56
Iím drinking a Fullerís ESB and get no raisin or banana.
10/13/2012 8:19:10 AM

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obguthr 3862:20
Capitalist America values marketing over authenticity. Our so-called ESBs lack the richness of the English ones. American wheats bear little resemblance to German weizen beers. Hell, Miller is supposedly "True Pilsner Beer".
10/13/2012 9:01:04 AM

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JoeMcPhee 8497:508
Originally posted by obguthr
Capitalist America values marketing over authenticity. Our so-called ESBs lack the richness of the English ones. American wheats bear little resemblance to German weizen beers. Hell, Miller is supposedly "True Pilsner Beer".

Itís not even that - even brewers who make great craft beer canít seem to get this style right. The only place Iíve seen come close is a small brewpub in Vermont.
10/13/2012 9:47:33 AM

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NobleSquirrel 3437:209
Originally posted by JoeMcPhee
Originally posted by obguthr
Capitalist America values marketing over authenticity. Our so-called ESBs lack the richness of the English ones. American wheats bear little resemblance to German weizen beers. Hell, Miller is supposedly "True Pilsner Beer".

Itís not even that - even brewers who make great craft beer canít seem to get this style right. The only place Iíve seen come close is a small brewpub in Vermont.


I will say, Iíave had plenty of homebrewed examples that have the profile right.
10/13/2012 4:36:16 PM

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notalush 4872:331
Originally posted by JoeMcPhee
Originally posted by obguthr
Capitalist America values marketing over authenticity. Our so-called ESBs lack the richness of the English ones. American wheats bear little resemblance to German weizen beers. Hell, Miller is supposedly "True Pilsner Beer".

Itís not even that - even brewers who make great craft beer canít seem to get this style right. The only place Iíve seen come close is a small brewpub in Vermont.


Next time you come to Denver, I will take you to Hogshead Brewing. Their beers are the real deal.
10/14/2012 6:50:39 AM

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