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Fred82
beers 2117 º places 7 º 19:17 Fri 9/21/2012

I did one with 70% Weyermann Smoked malt and itís not smokey enough for me (Iím also a fan of Schlenkerla). Next time Iíll go for 90% or 95% smoked plus some Munich. I personally donít think Cascade is a good idea. For the yeast Iíd pick a brand new dry english yeast... itís only a few bucks and not worth risking an entire batch with your questionable yeast. Try to ferment on the cold side of the recommended temperature for the yeast so you minimize the yeast flavors and get closer to a lager-like profile.

 
Erlangernick
beers 1 º places 2 º 03:07 Sat 9/22/2012

Originally posted by Fred82
I did one with 70% Weyermann Smoked malt and itís not smokey enough for me (Iím also a fan of Schlenkerla). Next time Iíll go for 90% or 95% smoked plus some Munich. I personally donít think Cascade is a good idea. For the yeast Iíd pick a brand new dry english yeast... itís only a few bucks and not worth risking an entire batch with your questionable yeast. Try to ferment on the cold side of the recommended temperature for the yeast so you minimize the yeast flavors and get closer to a lager-like profile.


Why an English yeast? US05 would be better (cleaner) than that, or even an Altbier or KŲlsch yeast.

Agreed on Cascades being out of place...nay...an abomination in a Rauchbier.

 
HornyDevil
09:40 Sat 9/22/2012

Originally posted by Fred82
I did one with 70% Weyermann Smoked malt and itís not smokey enough for me (Iím also a fan of Schlenkerla). Next time Iíll go for 90% or 95% smoked plus some Munich.


Yeah, I think the more smoked malt the better. Especially if youíre using commercially smoked malt. Now if youíre using home smoked malt, you could probably get away with around 50%, but I like mine rauchbiers smokey, so put me down for at least 75% with maybe some character malt in there just for good measure.

Originally posted by Fred82
I personally donít think Cascade is a good idea.


I would agree with this. Citrus + smoke just arenít good bedfellows. A nice noble varietal or a neutral high alpha hop would be the way to go. Just a small bittering addition and then let the smoke do the rest.

Originally posted by Fred82For the yeast Iíd pick a brand new dry english yeast... itís only a few bucks and not worth risking an entire batch with your questionable yeast. Try to ferment on the cold side of the recommended temperature for the yeast so you minimize the yeast flavors and get closer to a lager-like profile.


Definitely think that youíd want the cleanest profile possible. Well, at least I would. So using a neutral strain like US05 would produce the desired result. You could also do this beer as a psuedo-lager if you didnít want to ferment it as a true one. Iíve always liked the characteristics of the German Ale strain when kept on the colder side of things.

 
foduck
beers 330 º places 8 º 14:07 Sat 9/22/2012

Be more daring and donít use any smoked malts. Instead, build hot-burning wood fire and heat a big stone in it until the stone is white-hot. Then after youíre done cooking your wort, drop that stone into your kettle. The smokiness will come off of it and the heat on the stoneís surface will caramelize some of the sugars.
Then cool the wort and proceed normally.

 
HornyDevil
18:11 Sat 9/22/2012

Originally posted by foduck
Be more daring and donít use any smoked malts. Instead, build hot-burning wood fire and heat a big stone in it until the stone is white-hot. Then after youíre done cooking your wort, drop that stone into your kettle. The smokiness will come off of it and the heat on the stoneís surface will caramelize some of the sugars.
Then cool the wort and proceed normally.


Steinbier =/= Rauchbier

Sorry, thanks for playing.

 
Danko
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04:21 Sun 9/23/2012

I agree that if youíre doing a rauchbier "Bamberg-style" and using commercial smoked malt then you need 100% or close in your malt bill worth of smoked malt. If youíre using some home made variety or something from, say, a whisky distillery then 10-20% can be more than enough.

Itís good advice not to mix C-hops with smoke, and instead go with a nobel hop variety.

 
SamGamgee
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beers 2452 º places 182 º 16:00 Sun 9/23/2012

Also agree with no cascade. Even as a bittering hop, some character will come through. Go clean bittering or noble.

 
sylvia40
beers 1 º 06:37 Sun 10/7/2012

I checked on the F.G. today and it was very nice. Smokey enough, but I could stand more. I used 8 lbs of smoked malt, 2 lbs of Munich and a lb of 120L and it tastes fine for now. Also went with Tettnag 1 oz for 60 minutes at 5% aa. Smoke flavor will fade with time, so next batch will be 100% Bamberg smoked malt. Thanks for all the advice (spelled correctly this time).

 
NobleSquirrel
beers 3438 º places 209 º 07:05 Mon 10/8/2012

Originally posted by sylvia40
I checked on the F.G. today and it was very nice. Smokey enough, but I could stand more. I used 8 lbs of smoked malt, 2 lbs of Munich and a lb of 120L and it tastes fine for now. Also went with Tettnag 1 oz for 60 minutes at 5% aa. Smoke flavor will fade with time, so next batch will be 100% Bamberg smoked malt. Thanks for all the advice (spelled correctly this time).


Whyíd you add a pound of 120L? To me, that sounds like a terrible idea...

 
robrules
places 1 º 12:31 Mon 10/8/2012

Originally posted by HornyDevil
Originally posted by foduck
Be more daring and donít use any smoked malts. Instead, build hot-burning wood fire and heat a big stone in it until the stone is white-hot. Then after youíre done cooking your wort, drop that stone into your kettle. The smokiness will come off of it and the heat on the stoneís surface will caramelize some of the sugars.
Then cool the wort and proceed normally.


Steinbier =/= Rauchbier

Sorry, thanks for playing.


I guess this fallacy lives on due to Rauchenfels using smoked malt in theirs.

Might get some smokiness out of it if the rock is in the fire itself though getting charred wood bits attached.

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