Success in Saisons

Originally posted by VsXsV

Originally posted by bitbucket
Bière de Garde ?

A true French Bière de Garde has a few similarities to Saison, but I think that the differences still are major. A BdG should be malty with a solid alcoholic base and little to no hop aroma. The spicy notes from the yeast in a saison shouldn’t be there at all.

So, BdG is malty and low hopped while a Saison is much more about fresh hoppiness, spicyness, yeast and tartness. I have some trouble seeing why people tend to set an equals sign between them. Even if BdG is a farmhouse beer, the yeast profile is totally different.

I don’t mind brett in my saisons, and actually have some of it in all mine due to my house yeast mishmash, but like the spices should be kept more subtle.

I think this one is sufficiently closed down. Here’s the consensus on the top 3 factors for success in saison:

1. Simple grain bill with some wheat or oats
2. Low IBU/high quality hops
3. 80-85 degree fermentation temp

Thanks for all the solid responses on this one!

Originally posted by pellegjr
I think this one is sufficiently closed down. Here’s the consensus on the top 3 factors for success in saison:

1. Simple grain bill with some wheat or oats
2. Low IBU/high quality hops
3. 80-85 degree fermentation temp

Thanks for all the solid responses on this one!

Originally posted by t0rin0

Originally posted by pellegjr
I think this one is sufficiently closed down. Here’s the consensus on the top 3 factors for success in saison:

1. Simple grain bill with some wheat or oats
2. Low IBU/high quality hops
3. 80-85 degree fermentation temp

Thanks for all the solid responses on this one!

I’d love to hear more about fermenting hot. I tried it once with the Dupont strain (the White Labs one available to homebrewers and it tasted like nothing but green apple.

Originally posted by bitbucket

Originally posted by t0rin0

Originally posted by pellegjr
I think this one is sufficiently closed down. Here’s the consensus on the top 3 factors for success in saison:

1. Simple grain bill with some wheat or oats
2. Low IBU/high quality hops
3. 80-85 degree fermentation temp

Thanks for all the solid responses on this one!

I’d love to hear more about fermenting hot. I tried it once with the Dupont strain (the White Labs one available to homebrewers and it tasted like nothing but green apple.

If used the Wyeast Belgian Saison (3724) liquid yeast and Belle Saison dry yeast at 80-ish temps, both with good results. I’m not so keen on the Dupont strain, but maybe that’s because I tried it years ago, not necessarily knowing what I was trying to accomplish?

Originally posted by CLevar

Originally posted by bitbucket

Originally posted by t0rin0

Originally posted by pellegjr
I think this one is sufficiently closed down. Here’s the consensus on the top 3 factors for success in saison:

1. Simple grain bill with some wheat or oats
2. Low IBU/high quality hops
3. 80-85 degree fermentation temp

Thanks for all the solid responses on this one!

I’d love to hear more about fermenting hot. I tried it once with the Dupont strain (the White Labs one available to homebrewers and it tasted like nothing but green apple.

If used the Wyeast Belgian Saison (3724) liquid yeast and Belle Saison dry yeast at 80-ish temps, both with good results. I’m not so keen on the Dupont strain, but maybe that’s because I tried it years ago, not necessarily knowing what I was trying to accomplish?

Bit confused by your response here.

According to this yeast strain guide put together by Kris England, the Wyeast Belgian saison and WLP belgian saison are both from Dupont. I know that strains can vary a lot, but I was not aware of that distinction for this one.

Originally posted by bitbucket
No, I’m the one who is a bit confused. I was thinking 3711 was DuPont.
And I don’t like 3711 so well as 3724 or Belle Saison. Sorry.

Low mash temp
wheat
high fermentation temp with 3724 and not so high with 3711.

Originally posted by HornyDevil

Originally posted by bitbucket
No, I’m the one who is a bit confused. I was thinking 3711 was DuPont.
And I don’t like 3711 so well as 3724 or Belle Saison. Sorry.

You are definitely confused.

3711 = Thiriez
3724 = Dupont