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nyone got any views on this receipe I’ve just knocked up?
The idea is that it will be a Black IPA around 7-8%. I’m looking for chocolate, toffee and orange flavours with a bit of spiciness from the Fuggles. What do you think .... making any silly mistakes?
Thinking of adding some crystal to help with the cramel/toffee flavours. The flaked barley is for head retention (I know about torry wheat but I’ve just been reading about someone who’s had great results with flaked barley ... and I have some going spare).
Chocolate Malt 81 grams 1.7%
Pale Malt 4580 grams 97%
Flaked Barley 50 grams 1.1%
Black Malt 10 grams 0.2%
Target Whole 90 mins 32 grams 28.6%
Cascade Whole 5 mins 0 lbs. 0.7 oz 20 grams 17.9%
Fuggle Whole 5 mins 0 lbs. 0.7 oz 20 grams 17.9%
Cascade Whole 0 mins 0 lbs. 0.7 oz 20 grams 17.9%
Fuggle Whole 0 mins 0 lbs. 0.7 oz 20 grams 17.9%
Final Volume: 15 Litres
Original Gravity: 1.071
Final Gravity: 1.017
Alcohol Content: 7% ABV
Total Liquor: 24.2 Litres
Mash Liquor: 11.8 Litres
Bitterness: 50 EBU
Colour: 60 EBC
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Originally posted by Chunk
Anyone got any views on this receipe I’ve just knocked up?
The idea is that it will be a Black IPA around 7-8%. I’m looking for chocolate, toffee and orange flavours with a bit of spiciness from the Fuggles. What do you think .... making any silly mistakes?
Thinking of adding some crystal to help with the cramel/toffee flavours. The flaked barley is for head retention (I know about torry wheat but I’ve just been reading about someone who’s had great results with flaked barley ... and I have some going spare).
Chocolate Malt 81 grams 1.7%
Pale Malt 4580 grams 97%
Flaked Barley 50 grams 1.1%
Black Malt 10 grams 0.2%
Target Whole 90 mins 32 grams 28.6%
Cascade Whole 5 mins 0 lbs. 0.7 oz 20 grams 17.9%
Fuggle Whole 5 mins 0 lbs. 0.7 oz 20 grams 17.9%
Cascade Whole 0 mins 0 lbs. 0.7 oz 20 grams 17.9%
Fuggle Whole 0 mins 0 lbs. 0.7 oz 20 grams 17.9%
Final Volume: 15 Litres
Original Gravity: 1.071
Final Gravity: 1.017
Alcohol Content: 7% ABV
Total Liquor: 24.2 Litres
Mash Liquor: 11.8 Litres
Bitterness: 50 EBU
Colour: 60 EBC
In reality, I don’t think that Black IPAs are very good ideas.
That being said, here are a couple helpful hints:
1) Leave it at base malt plus one dark malt. I would suggest Carafa III if you can get it. And I would suggest about 400 g of it for a batch this size.
2) Add a pound or two of white sugar. It will thin out your body, which is what you want in an "IPA".
3) You need WAY more hops. Multiply everything by a factor of 3 and you’ll be in the right ballpark.
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Reason for doing a black IPA is to try something a bit different. I’ve only tried one (BrewDog Bashah) and it was nothing short of excellent.
The black malt was just for colour. What is the benefit of using a single dark malt with the base malt and what is the benefirt of Carafa III over black ... I thought they were basically the same thing? I was planning to use chocolate for flavour and black for colour.
I assume you only mean way more late hops? If I triple the bittering hops, wont I get an IBU in the region of 150! That’s a bit too high for me.
Thanks for the thoughs, appreciated.
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Originally posted by Chunk
Reason for doing a black IPA is to try something a bit different. I’ve only tried one (BrewDog Bashah) and it was nothing short of excellent.
OK.
Originally posted by Chunk
The black malt was just for colour. What is the benefit of using a single dark malt with the base malt and what is the benefirt of Carafa III over black ... I thought they were basically the same thing? I was planning to use chocolate for flavour and black for colour.
Carafa is debittered black malt. More what you’re looking for in a recipe like this.
IMO, chocolate malt isn’t really a flavor that you’d want in this beer, but feel free to use it if you are hell-bent on doing so.
You can also add a bit of crystal malt if you want, but I’d limit it to a quarter of a pound.
Originally posted by Chunk
I assume you only mean way more late hops? If I triple the bittering hops, wont I get an IBU in the region of 150! That’s a bit too high for me.
No . . . add more of all the hops.
That IBU calculation is wrong.
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I would recommend using Weyermann Sinamar to achieve the black color with minimal roast malt flavor. Here is a link, min. quantity might be more than you need but find a couple other brewers to share with. It is actually a carafa derivative product. My experience with it has been very favorable. Personally I would also minimize all use of crystal malts in an IPA as well.
http://www.weyermann.de/eng/produkte.asp?idkat=26&umenue=yes&idmenue=37&sprache=2
Good Luck
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I’ve got a different take. I say you *do* want to taste the chocolate malt. Add a whole pound. Don’t just use it for color. What’s the point of that? Simple visual novelty? No. Trust me, I’ve brewed a dozen batches of "chocolate IPA," and it’s one of my favorite brews. My homebrew club loved it, too, though most of them were surprised by it at first.
I like the base malt and chocolate malt idea. Maybe a little crysal. But mash low (say around 150F), use a pound of table sugar, and you can get it to finish out in the teens no problem. You’re about right for the bittering hops, but at least double or triple the finishing hops, and be sure to dry hop with at least 2 or 3 ounces. Use a neutral yeast, ferment in the 60s, and you’re going to have a clean, roasty, medium body, very hoppy brew.
I’d skip the fuggles and go all C hop if I were you, especially if you’re wanting more orange/citrus. I also love it with simcoe, myself.
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Originally posted by absolutesites
Originally posted by Chunk
Anyone got any views on this receipe I’ve just knocked up?
The idea is that it will be a Black IPA around 7-8%. I’m looking for chocolate, toffee and orange flavours with a bit of spiciness from the Fuggles. What do you think .... making any silly mistakes?
Thinking of adding some crystal to help with the cramel/toffee flavours. The flaked barley is for head retention (I know about torry wheat but I’ve just been reading about someone who’s had great results with flaked barley ... and I have some going spare).
Chocolate Malt 81 grams 1.7%
Pale Malt 4580 grams 97%
Flaked Barley 50 grams 1.1%
Black Malt 10 grams 0.2%
Target Whole 90 mins 32 grams 28.6%
Cascade Whole 5 mins 0 lbs. 0.7 oz 20 grams 17.9%
Fuggle Whole 5 mins 0 lbs. 0.7 oz 20 grams 17.9%
Cascade Whole 0 mins 0 lbs. 0.7 oz 20 grams 17.9%
Fuggle Whole 0 mins 0 lbs. 0.7 oz 20 grams 17.9%
Final Volume: 15 Litres
Original Gravity: 1.071
Final Gravity: 1.017
Alcohol Content: 7% ABV
Total Liquor: 24.2 Litres
Mash Liquor: 11.8 Litres
Bitterness: 50 EBU
Colour: 60 EBC
In reality, I don’t think that Black IPAs are very good ideas.
That being said, here are a couple helpful hints:
1) Leave it at base malt plus one dark malt. I would suggest Carafa III if you can get it. And I would suggest about 400 g of it for a batch this size.
2) Add a pound or two of white sugar. It will thin out your body, which is what you want in an "IPA".
3) You need WAY more hops. Multiply everything by a factor of 3 and you’ll be in the right ballpark.
Completely agree with #1 and #2 (1 pd sugar), drop the base malt to around 90-85%
Needs more finishing hops but the bittering is okay. I too would recommend more of the C’s in the finish.
Honestly, it looks alot like an American styled stout, so you would want to dry it out a bit and increase the hops.
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Originally posted by BBB63
Needs more finishing hops but the bittering is okay.
He’s using 1 oz. of hops in this beer.
I don’t know of any IPA recipe that uses that little.
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Originally posted by absolutesites
Originally posted by BBB63
Needs more finishing hops but the bittering is okay.
He’s using 1 oz. of hops in this beer.
I don’t know of any IPA recipe that uses that little.
Using beer engine, with the aa % corrected, the IBU comes out at 50. I know this isn’t through the rough for an IPA but it should be plenty enough.
Thanks for the comments guys, this is all very useful.
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Originally posted by absolutesites
Originally posted by BBB63
Needs more finishing hops but the bittering is okay.
He’s using 1 oz. of hops in this beer.
I don’t know of any IPA recipe that uses that little.
Ya, but what is the alpha% on those target hops? Could be pretty high if they are around the top of the range for the varietal; plus, he is only brewing 3.9 gallons of beer (15L).
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If I read this right, he is using 112 g of hops, which sounds like close to 4 oz. I agree it wouldn’t be a bad idea to triple all but the Target hops. Not too sure about the sugar. Sounds like it might work, but I’ve always been hesitant to try this.
Originally posted by Chunk
Originally posted by absolutesites
Originally posted by BBB63
Needs more finishing hops but the bittering is okay.
He’s using 1 oz. of hops in this beer.
I don’t know of any IPA recipe that uses that little.
Using beer engine, with the aa % corrected, the IBU comes out at 50. I know this isn’t through the rough for an IPA but it should be plenty enough.
Thanks for the comments guys, this is all very useful.
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