Originally posted by SilkTork
The notion of Scottish brewers burning their malt as they boiled it over primitive peat fires, and being unable to afford to hop their beers (because they spent all their money on deep fried Mars Bars) is an absurdity and an insult.
Yeah, but it’s alright as the Scots can’t read. |
Originally posted by SilkTork
What is sad is that at this moment, despite all the documentary evidence of Scotland’s brewing history, the BJCP persist in the false story that Scottish brewers couldn’t afford to put hops in their beer.
Nobody with any credibility takes the bjcp seriously in Europe. Hopefully we can keep it that way. |
Originally posted by FatPhil
Originally posted by SilkTork
The notion of Scottish brewers burning their malt as they boiled it over primitive peat fires, and being unable to afford to hop their beers (because they spent all their money on deep fried Mars Bars) is an absurdity and an insult.
Yeah, but it’s alright as the Scots can’t read.
Oh come on thats just not fair.
You know fine well i have 2 kids.
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Originally posted by cgarvieuk
Oh come on thats just not fair.
You know fine well i have 2 kids.
Read not Breed, Craig!!! |
Originally posted by SilkTork
I will defend what I say here, as people have and do use the term Burton Ale to refer to a beer that is also known as IPA. I think we should accept that some beer name/terms cover a range of beers, and that it’s not always possible to pin down one type of beer to one name only.
Since Burton Ale was the name of a distinct style of beer long before the very different style of IPA appeared, and it continued to be the name of a very separate style of beer after Burton brewers started making IPAs, it’s both completely wrong and extremely confusing to refer to IPAs from Burton as Burton Ale. Burton Ale is Burton Ale and IPA is IPA. That’s why, for example, Bass used the red triangle trademark for its pale ales and the red diamond trademark for its Burton Ales. |
It’s Ind Coope’s fault for launching Burton Ale, which was/is Pale Ale, not Burton Ale.
The "teapot legend" (whether you believe it actually happened or not) is a good indication of the difference. "Your Burton ale, so strong and sweet, will not suit our market." the Burton brewers are supposed to have been told by the East India Company, asking them to brew something quite different instead, a beer imitating Hodgson’s pale ale. |
Originally posted by cgarvieuk
Originally posted by FatPhil
Originally posted by SilkTork
The notion of Scottish brewers burning their malt as they boiled it over primitive peat fires, and being unable to afford to hop their beers (because they spent all their money on deep fried Mars Bars) is an absurdity and an insult.
Yeah, but it’s alright as the Scots can’t read.
Oh come on thats just not fair.
You know fine well i have 2 kids.
Dang, I have no response - we’ll have to shake on 1-all on the pythonesque quips stakes! 
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Can anyone help me with some numbers?
In the most recent issue of the Danish beer magazine there were some recent numbers for Danish craft beer and it would be interesting to compare:
The market share of craft brewers/non-multinationals.
The shares for retail vs bar/cafe/restaurant sales for specialty beer.
In Denmark micro brewers have a 3.5% market share.
I assume that "craft beer" lines from Carlsberg, Royal Unibrew, Vestfyen and Harboe are kept out of this figure, otherwise it would be larger. Imports is also around 3.5%, including everything from Budweiser to Three Floyds.
Specialty beer (micros + imports) is sold 75% in retail and 25% in bars/cafes/restaurants. This is very different from the UK. Danes prefer to drink good beer at home with the wife and a few friends. Another reason to be jealous of you...
Any comparable numbers would be interesting. |
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