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Using an imperial ipa yeast cake for a blonde ale a bad idea?

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heyprobrewing
beers 31 º places 1 º 09:44 Sat 1/19/2013

Going to brew a blonde ale today. Last week I did a IIPA and am about to transfer to secondary. Anyways I used wyeast 1056 for that. Am I going to pick up some off flavors if I throw the blonde ale on top of the IIPA yeast cake.

 
NobleSquirrel
beers 3438 º places 209 º 10:12 Sat 1/19/2013

Youíll probably pick up a bunch of unwanted bitterness due to tannins and other stuff in the cake. You may be able to wash the yeast though.

 
heyprobrewing
beers 31 º places 1 º 13:48 Sat 1/19/2013

Ok. Yeah thatís what I was thinking. May be too lazy to wash the yeast. Read about it some time ago but havenít done it.

 
joeneugs
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beers 4304 º places 188 º 13:51 Sat 1/19/2013

Also, youíll be over pitching putting a smaller beer on a huge yeast cake like that...

 
HornyDevil
15:21 Sat 1/19/2013

Originally posted by heyprobrewing
Going to brew a blonde ale today. Last week I did a IIPA and am about to transfer to secondary. Anyways I used wyeast 1056 for that. Am I going to pick up some off flavors if I throw the blonde ale on top of the IIPA yeast cake.


If you want to use that yeast, rack the IIPA to a secondary and give it a couple days to clear, and THEN throw the blonde onto that yeast. Otherwise youíll run the chance of getting a fair amount of IIPA character in the blonde.

Oh, and recipes for both beers would be useful.

 
heyprobrewing
beers 31 º places 1 º 16:37 Sat 1/19/2013

Originally posted by HornyDevil
Originally posted by heyprobrewing
Going to brew a blonde ale today. Last week I did a IIPA and am about to transfer to secondary. Anyways I used wyeast 1056 for that. Am I going to pick up some off flavors if I throw the blonde ale on top of the IIPA yeast cake.


If you want to use that yeast, rack the IIPA to a secondary and give it a couple days to clear, and THEN throw the blonde onto that yeast. Otherwise youíll run the chance of getting a fair amount of IIPA character in the blonde.

Oh, and recipes for both beers would be useful.


Sorry for no recipe. So ur saying after I rack to secondary let it sit and clear obviously. Then re-rack to a diff secondary and use the remaining yeast cake from that? Iím actually going to just wash the yeast... Which Iím doing now. Wondering though even after I wash the yeast if I will still get some additional unwanted flavors?

 
JoeMcPhee
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beers 9004 º places 528 º 16:57 Sat 1/19/2013

Originally posted by heyprobrewing
Originally posted by HornyDevil
Originally posted by heyprobrewing
Going to brew a blonde ale today. Last week I did a IIPA and am about to transfer to secondary. Anyways I used wyeast 1056 for that. Am I going to pick up some off flavors if I throw the blonde ale on top of the IIPA yeast cake.


If you want to use that yeast, rack the IIPA to a secondary and give it a couple days to clear, and THEN throw the blonde onto that yeast. Otherwise youíll run the chance of getting a fair amount of IIPA character in the blonde.

Oh, and recipes for both beers would be useful.


Sorry for no recipe. So ur saying after I rack to secondary let it sit and clear obviously. Then re-rack to a diff secondary and use the remaining yeast cake from that? Iím actually going to just wash the yeast... Which Iím doing now. Wondering though even after I wash the yeast if I will still get some additional unwanted flavors?

Probably not - theyíre washed after all.

 
erway
beers 1004 º places 41 º 17:47 Sat 1/19/2013

Originally posted by HornyDevil
Originally posted by heyprobrewing
Going to brew a blonde ale today. Last week I did a IIPA and am about to transfer to secondary. Anyways I used wyeast 1056 for that. Am I going to pick up some off flavors if I throw the blonde ale on top of the IIPA yeast cake.


If you want to use that yeast, rack the IIPA to a secondary and give it a couple days to clear, and THEN throw the blonde onto that yeast. Otherwise youíll run the chance of getting a fair amount of IIPA character in the blonde.

Oh, and recipes for both beers would be useful.


That is a really bad way to get yeast from a beer. You are basically selecting for the yeast that did not flocculate out when it should have. Resulting beer will be very cloudy for a very long time. And the esters and phenols produced by such yeast would be unpredictable at best.

But in all, this is a really bad idea. Far too much yeast that has been far too stressed out. An absolute shitload of iso-alpha acids will be left in that yeast. An enormous amount of trube.

If you told me you wanted to do a stout with that yeast... ok, maybe, but still not a great idea. With a blonde ale you are looking to make something light and delicate with absolutely zero flaws/off-flavors and this is not the way to go about it. Why not just pick up some US-05? The stuff is cheap and it makes great beer.

 
wnoble
beers 1251 º 18:57 Sat 1/19/2013

Just donít do it.

 
heyprobrewing
beers 31 º places 1 º 19:25 Sat 1/19/2013

Thanks for the help. Like I said Iím going to wash the yeast and maybe use it for a beer of similar strength and characteristics. Just havenít reused yeast but also have heard its better to start with a lower gravity beer and then progress upward from there if u plan on reusing. Anyways. Good stuff guys I appreciate it. Cheers

 
BMan1113VR
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beers 7904 º places 422 º 21:07 Sat 1/19/2013

At work we try not to harvest yeast from anything super high in alcohol or something that will have a Ton of hops in the turb, that says we harvest on some beers before we dry hop.

That said, I wouldnít pitch DIPA yeast to something as delicate as a blonde

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