things I like about the bjcp style guidelines

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rpattinson
beers 84 º 04:54 Sun 11/18/2007

I could come up with a full ten things I liked aout the bjcp style guidels. The most impressive were:

- they start at number one
- they combine Belgium and France (styles 16 A to E) - something the Congress of Vienna was determined to prevent
- they inspire insights like "this beer is too roasty for a Porter"

Anyone have any more suggestions?

You can see my full list here:

http://barclayperkins.blogspot.com/2007/11/things-i-like-about-bjcp-style.html

 
Gazza
beers 727 º places 167 º 06:33 Sun 11/18/2007

How about The way they’re obviously written by Americans a long time ago with very little knowledge of European beer? And half the UK guidelines just shout "Sam Smiths" at me...

Apart from that, nothing.


 
kook
beers 2033 º places 34 º 07:21 Sun 11/18/2007

I use the guidelines regularly for homebrew, i.e. for evaluation or classification. I think they work great for that purpose, though that may just be because there has never been a better classification guideline produced. I think there is a lot of work that could be done in terms of European beer, however I don’t know if there is support for the change within the AHA.

I don’t think it is a good fit for commercial beer though, as it is far too narrow.

 
TheBeerSommelier
09:26 Sun 11/18/2007


Things I like about people who like the BJCP style guidelines:

* Open mindedness...
* Respect for the hard work and persistence to put together a classification system that they couldn’t possibly hope to create themselves...
* Recognition for the longevity of a catalogue, still in existence, after years of review and modification...
* The ability to recognize that while they’re not perfect, they’re certainly the best thing going...


As my dad always said...if you think you can do better, have at it.

 
aledrinkerLS
beers 101 º 16:06 Sun 11/18/2007

Originally posted by rpattinson
I could come up with a full ten things I liked aout the bjcp style guidels. The most impressive were:

- they start at number one
- they combine Belgium and France (styles 16 A to E) - something the Congress of Vienna was determined to prevent
- they inspire insights like "this beer is too roasty for a Porter"

Anyone have any more suggestions?

You can see my full list here:

http://barclayperkins.blogspot.com/2007/11/things-i-like-about-bjcp-style.html


Guys like rpattinson make me laugh. Know-it-alls that don’t know squat and think they are something more than they are. Constantly criticizing people who actually do positive things for the beer world. Who the hell are you, rpattinson? Some guy who just writes about beer in his own little world? What have you done for beer lately, other than ramble on endlessly on your ugly-ass website? Keep on thinking you are soo important son, 99.9% of beer drinkers have no idea who you are. Hysterical, this guy thinks he is the second coming of Michael Jackson...

 
Rastacouere
beers 6177 º places 701 º 16:37 Sun 11/18/2007

I wish I knew as little as Ron Pattinson and were so far from dedicated as him

Though he seems to be easy on criticizing, but ain’t that the way to change things? I can’t know what’s his strike, but perhaps his idea is that there should be know such thing as style categories to group beers together and in this case, it would make sense not to propose an alternative.

 
aledrinkerLS
beers 101 º 16:43 Sun 11/18/2007

Originally posted by Rastacouere
I wish I knew as little as Ron Pattinson and were so far from dedicated as him

Though he seems to be easy on criticizing, but ain’t that the way to change things? I can’t know what’s his strike, but perhaps his idea is that there should be know such thing as style categories to group beers together and in this case, it would make sense not to propose an alternative.


Frankly, if he (and anyone else who thinks so) thinks there should be no style guidelines, he’s an idiot. How else can you objectively judge beers in a home brew competition, which is what the BJCP guidelines are for anyway.

But you can’t tell self-important pompous wannabees like rpattison that. They continue to speak on things that they have no clue about because it makes them look more beer cultured.

 
maeib
beers 8749 º places 12 º 16:43 Sun 11/18/2007

I am confused how aledrinker can possibly state that Ron "don’t know squat" yet has obviously read his "ugly-ass website" which is one of the most informed and well researched beer sites out there IMO.

These two facts don’t correlate.

 
aledrinkerLS
beers 101 º 17:03 Sun 11/18/2007

Originally posted by maeib
I am confused how aledrinker can possibly state that Ron "don’t know squat" yet has obviously read his "ugly-ass website" which is one of the most informed and well researched beer sites out there IMO.

These two facts don’t correlate.


Keep drinking the Kool-Aid. I only went to his "site" to find out what he was about. My suspicions were confirmed.

 
JoeMcPhee
beers 10932 º places 543 º 17:08 Sun 11/18/2007

Originally posted by aledrinker
Originally posted by maeib
I am confused how aledrinker can possibly state that Ron "don’t know squat" yet has obviously read his "ugly-ass website" which is one of the most informed and well researched beer sites out there IMO.

These two facts don’t correlate.


Keep drinking the Kool-Aid. I only went to his "site" to find out what he was about. My suspicions were confirmed.

Yeah, I’m confused. His site is well-researched and thorough. I don’t entirely agree with his hatred of the BJCP, but he tries to put beer styles into a geographical context. Just because the analysis is complicated or different from what you perceive to be "correct" doesn’t make it so. You still haven’t stated what exactly it is about rpattinson’s site and/or analysis that you don’t like. FWIW, I think the BJCP serves a useful purpose, but it isn’t the end-all be-all that many seem to believe it is. You can criticize rpattinson here, you just can’t be a dick about it.

 
awaisanen
beers 1304 º places 16 º 17:40 Sun 11/18/2007


You can criticize rpattinson here, you just can’t be a dick about it.


Good point. I was actually going to try and write a long winded, well though out response to this, but what’s the purpose? All I can say is:
1.)If the average homebrewer (or rater) had 1/2 of the knowledge that can be learned through the BJCP program, the homebrewing (or rating) community would be much better off. For those of you that already do, congratulations - you’re more informed than the average beer drinker!
2.)It doesn’t take much more than a glance at the current Top 50 on this site to see that the BJCP doesn’t prevent commercial brewers from brewing fantastic, creative beers, so unless the BJCP has caused you to place poorly in an AHA sanctioned competition as a homebrewer, who the hell cares?