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RATINGS: 299   WEIGHTED AVG: 3.89/5   EST. CALORIES: 336   ABV: 11.2%
High gravity black ale brewed with Ty Ty honey, copious amounts of hops and aged on toasted Spanish Cedar. Part 2 of a 4 beer collaboration between Cigar City, Hill Farmstead, and Grassroots. A note from Joey Redner: "The beers are basically black IPAs brewed with lots of Citra, Mt. Rainier and Simcoe along with Ty Ty honey from North Florida aged on medium toast Spanish Cedar. There are different hop additions in the Hill Farmstead/Grassroots version (Or) and the 2-row base malt in the CCB version (Either) is replaced with Pilsner malt in the Vermont/Denmark version (Or). There are also some process differences which is one of the purposes of a collaboration; allowing breweries to learn from each other. The goal was to make two beers that were alike, but slightly different due to preferences in regional approach and access to ingredients. The four beers in this collaborative series will be named: Either, Or, Neither and Nor. Either and Or will release first and the other two will follow. Both Either and Or were brewed at CCB, but Neither and Nor will be brewed as single batches in both Vermont and Denmark.

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   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 3/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 18/20
gym399 (26) - Florida, USA - NOV 26, 2010
More balanced than Either. Surprisingly smooth for the high alcohol content.

   AROMA 9/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 9/10   PALATE 5/5   OVERALL 17/20
SFLpunk (134) - Burlington, Vermont, USA - NOV 25, 2010
"Acquired" from grassrootsVT as part of a set with EITHER. Tasted side by side. 12oz pry-top brown glass bottle. No date. Pours a thick viscous black with some creamy dark tan head that stays longer than OR and is also darker in color. Leaves no lacing. Nose: Dark and angry bitter chocolate notes, dusty hop flowers (dried), sticky weed. Dry dry dry and roasty smelling compared to the slick-smelling EITHER. Palate: Palate is lighter and a little more "lifted" feeling. Cedar is not as aggressive as in OR and the body is a little lighter (a good thing). Wet, juicy, pot-like hops ooze throughout the palate and are supported by the spicy, peppery cedar. Carbonation is creamy, true to form with Shaun Hills beers and keeps the palate from becoming cloying. Notes: Appearance is better on this one. Aroma is more muted than "Either" but the palate is far superior! Much more bitter (from the hops) than "Either" and is more lively both in terms of carbonation and flavor. "Or" seems to have a little less extraction of the malt and therefore allows the individual components to shine through a little more instead of getting mucked up together. The texture is perfect and the finish is elegant. The winner by far!

   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 15/20
hopscotch (10944) - Vero Beach, Florida, USA - NOV 22, 2010
UPDATED: NOV 23, 2010 Bottle Coal black ale with a mid-sized, creamy, khaki head. Good retention. The nose offers lots of deeply roasted malt, dark chocolate, leather and singed pine needles with an acrid splash of bong water. Full-bodied with an oily mouthfeel and tingly carbonation. Black malt sweetness intertwines nicely with citrusy, grassy, piney hop bitterness. The high ABV is cloaked nicely. Burnt, grassy, hempen finish.

   AROMA 6/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 5/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 10/20
nick76 (4387) - Tampa, Florida, USA - NOV 22, 2010
The appearance is so dark its almost black but its still brown. The head is tan. The aroma is very toasted to the point of being burnt and a tin bit sweet with molasses and hops. The taste is like the aroma. The palate is sooth but not thick. Overall this is not any better than the either but the two blended are better.

   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 5/5   TASTE 7/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 13/20
italarican (1543) - Winston-Salem, North Carolina, USA - NOV 21, 2010
Tap at Blind Tiger. Lovely black pour. Some rough edges of cascade hops with the roasted malt. Flavor is lighter on the roasted malt notes and heavier on cascade-type hops. The cedar spice is relatively equivalent to Either. I thought Either was the superior brew.

   AROMA 9/10   APPEARANCE 5/5   TASTE 9/10   PALATE 5/5   OVERALL 18/20
GatheringBrews (45) - Derby, Vermont, USA - NOV 21, 2010
Much like its companion beer, Either, this one pours a dark black/brown with a strong tan head. Stronger hop character in the aroma, but still hints of malt, dark fruit that unique touch from the cedar. Slightly drier mouthfeel and finish with much more pronounced hop flavor and less emphasis of the earthiness of Either. However, theres still a unique tart from the cedar. Feels much more like a black IPA to me with the resinous backbone and drier finish, but still well balanced for such a big beer. Drinking them side by side allows for a good comparison of the differences, for sure. Enjoyed the Either, but preferred the Or, only because it really hits home as a BIPA to me.

   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 15/20
dchmela (3044) - Orlando, Florida, USA - NOV 21, 2010
12 oz bottle. Pours black with a huge tan head. Huge citrus hops, some pine, dark roasted grain and honey aroma. Taste is smooth malt, citrus hops, honey sweetness, dry dark malt bitterness and cedar woodiness in the taste. Sweeter than the Either, yet just as good.

   AROMA 9/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 17/20
jcwattsrugger (12334) - Florida and, New Jersey, USA - NOV 21, 2010
on tap-pours a brown head that laces with black color. Aroma is sweet pine, 2nd dark malt. Taste is sweet pine hops, cedar, 2nd dark malt-some molasses (&honey). Medium/full body.

   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 16/20
drowland (8101) - Georgia, USA - NOV 20, 2010
UPDATED: NOV 23, 2010 11/20/10. 12oz bottle. Opaque black pour (some brown on the edges when held to the light) with a small khaki head that fades to a ring fast. Big hop kick in the aroma of this one - pine, resin, cat pee, and more - with a hint of coffee. Sweeter malty flavor that packs a bitter hop punch again with catty aspects, fresh green plants, and more, finishing with a lingering coffee touch. Despite what others say, I prefer this one slightly to "Either."

   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 6/10   PALATE 3/5   OVERALL 15/20
greencatfish (18) - Pennsylvania, USA - NOV 19, 2010
Ok so Im going to rate this about a 3.5 but here is the thing. For a black IPA this beer is very good. But I had this at the same time as the Either and to be honest the hops really dont need to be there. The Either is by far a better beer the hops just seem to bleed out the nice complex flavors of the Either. Ok first take is ton of roasted malt with a nice clean pine hop finish. The honey is kind of lost in the mix between the malt and hops and I got little no wood flavor out of this. Very smooth and drinkable for 11%. If you at a bar that has both Either and OR and you only have 10.00 get the Either but they are both great beers. WTG CCB

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