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RATINGS: 300   WEIGHTED AVG: 3.89/5   EST. CALORIES: 336   ABV: 11.2%
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High gravity black ale brewed with Ty Ty honey, copious amounts of hops and aged on toasted Spanish Cedar. Part 2 of a 4 beer collaboration between Cigar City, Hill Farmstead, and Grassroots. A note from Joey Redner: "The beers are basically black IPA’s brewed with lots of Citra, Mt. Rainier and Simcoe along with Ty Ty honey from North Florida aged on medium toast Spanish Cedar. There are different hop additions in the Hill Farmstead/Grassroots version (Or) and the 2-row base malt in the CCB version (Either) is replaced with Pilsner malt in the Vermont/Denmark version (Or). There are also some process differences which is one of the purposes of a collaboration; allowing breweries to learn from each other. The goal was to make two beers that were alike, but slightly different due to preferences in regional approach and access to ingredients. The four beers in this collaborative series will be named: Either, Or, Neither and Nor. Either and Or will release first and the other two will follow. Both Either and Or were brewed at CCB, but Neither and Nor will be brewed as single batches in both Vermont and Denmark.

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3.9
HOPSHUNTER (742) - Tampa, Florida, USA - NOV 28, 2010
Tap @ CCB. Poured black with a frothy, dense tan head. Nose has big notes of toasted and roasted dark malts, chocolate, pine, orange, cedar, and toffee. Full body with a slippery viscous mouth feel and gentile carbonation. This beer is fairly sweet as to be expected with a fair amount of earthy hop bitterness, an overall spiciness from the cedar. The big difference I found in Or from Either was a larger, brighter hop presence in Or, the roasty chocolate quality is still here but I get much more of a orange citric note. I think I’m feeling Or just a bit more.

3.6
polomagnifico (1202) - Saginaw, Michigan, USA - NOV 27, 2010
Bottle from Tsotsi, thanks man! Aroma has notes of roasted malts, chocolate, honey, piny hops. Black hue with small tan head that leaves little lace. Flavor is heavy sweet and bitter. Palate is oily soft. Very good but I’d prefer the either rather than the or.

3.9
Ibrew2or3 (8814) - Tempe, Arizona, USA - NOV 27, 2010
12oz bottle pours very dark with tan head that fades to a ring in about a minute. The aroma puts out sugary malts and honey sweetness rolling into increasingly roasty malts, spicy black licorice, spicy cedar and some malt sweetened citrus. Sort of like Either the beer enters smooth and near velvety but with a bit brighter notes. I get malt sweetened tangelo, orange juice and sugary grapefruit juice followed by lesser notes of dark roasted malts, some cedar spice, chocolate and then more citrus. Lingering citrus and a touch of roastiness head off into the after taste.

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gym399 (26) - Florida, USA - NOV 26, 2010
More balanced than Either. Surprisingly smooth for the high alcohol content.

4.4
SFLpunk (134) - Burlington, Vermont, USA - NOV 25, 2010
"Acquired" from grassrootsVT as part of a set with EITHER. Tasted side by side. 12oz pry-top brown glass bottle. No date. Pours a thick viscous black with some creamy dark tan head that stays longer than OR and is also darker in color. Leaves no lacing. Nose: Dark and angry bitter chocolate notes, dusty hop flowers (dried), sticky weed. Dry dry dry and roasty smelling compared to the slick-smelling EITHER. Palate: Palate is lighter and a little more "lifted" feeling. Cedar is not as aggressive as in OR and the body is a little lighter (a good thing). Wet, juicy, pot-like hops ooze throughout the palate and are supported by the spicy, peppery cedar. Carbonation is creamy, true to form with Shaun Hill’s beers and keeps the palate from becoming cloying. Notes: Appearance is better on this one. Aroma is more muted than "Either" but the palate is far superior! Much more bitter (from the hops) than "Either" and is more lively both in terms of carbonation and flavor. "Or" seems to have a little less extraction of the malt and therefore allows the individual components to shine through a little more instead of getting mucked up together. The texture is perfect and the finish is elegant. The winner by far!

3.8
hopscotch (11236) - Vero Beach, Florida, USA - NOV 22, 2010
UPDATED: NOV 23, 2010 Bottle… Coal black ale with a mid-sized, creamy, khaki head. Good retention. The nose offers lots of deeply roasted malt, dark chocolate, leather and singed pine needles with an acrid splash of bong water. Full-bodied with an oily mouthfeel and tingly carbonation. Black malt sweetness intertwines nicely with citrusy, grassy, piney hop bitterness. The high ABV is cloaked nicely. Burnt, grassy, hempen finish.

2.9
nick76 (4402) - Tampa, Florida, USA - NOV 22, 2010
The appearance is so dark it’s almost black but it’s still brown. The head is tan. The aroma is very toasted to the point of being burnt and a tin bit sweet with molasses and hops. The taste is like the aroma. The palate is sooth but not thick. Overall this is not any better than the either but the two blended are better.

3.6
italarican (1606) - Indiana, Pennsylvania, USA - NOV 21, 2010
Tap at Blind Tiger. Lovely black pour. Some rough edges of cascade hops with the roasted malt. Flavor is lighter on the roasted malt notes and heavier on cascade-type hops. The cedar spice is relatively equivalent to Either. I thought Either was the superior brew.

4.6
GatheringBrews (47) - Derby, Vermont, USA - NOV 21, 2010
Much like it’s companion beer, Either, this one pours a dark black/brown with a strong tan head. Stronger hop character in the aroma, but still hints of malt, dark fruit that unique touch from the cedar. Slightly drier mouthfeel and finish with much more pronounced hop flavor and less emphasis of the earthiness of Either. However, there’s still a unique tart from the cedar. Feels much more like a black IPA to me with the resinous backbone and drier finish, but still well balanced for such a big beer. Drinking them side by side allows for a good comparison of the differences, for sure. Enjoyed the Either, but preferred the Or, only because it really hits home as a BIPA to me.

3.9
dchmela (3084) - Orlando, Florida, USA - NOV 21, 2010
12 oz bottle. Pours black with a huge tan head. Huge citrus hops, some pine, dark roasted grain and honey aroma. Taste is smooth malt, citrus hops, honey sweetness, dry dark malt bitterness and cedar woodiness in the taste. Sweeter than the Either, yet just as good.


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