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RATINGS: 298   WEIGHTED AVG: 3.89/5   EST. CALORIES: 336   ABV: 11.2%
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High gravity black ale brewed with Ty Ty honey, copious amounts of hops and aged on toasted Spanish Cedar. Part 2 of a 4 beer collaboration between Cigar City, Hill Farmstead, and Grassroots. A note from Joey Redner: "The beers are basically black IPA’s brewed with lots of Citra, Mt. Rainier and Simcoe along with Ty Ty honey from North Florida aged on medium toast Spanish Cedar. There are different hop additions in the Hill Farmstead/Grassroots version (Or) and the 2-row base malt in the CCB version (Either) is replaced with Pilsner malt in the Vermont/Denmark version (Or). There are also some process differences which is one of the purposes of a collaboration; allowing breweries to learn from each other. The goal was to make two beers that were alike, but slightly different due to preferences in regional approach and access to ingredients. The four beers in this collaborative series will be named: Either, Or, Neither and Nor. Either and Or will release first and the other two will follow. Both Either and Or were brewed at CCB, but Neither and Nor will be brewed as single batches in both Vermont and Denmark.

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4.6
jpgrego (2) - Hamilton, Michigan, USA - SEP 25, 2012 does not count
Tannin, deep raisin, bitter, mossy, bit of an edge, moist soil, burnt sugar, molasses. I really wanted a cigar with this.

3.9
kermis (14494) - The Hague / Amsterdam, NETHERLANDS - SEP 3, 2012
Bottle shared at Delirium Hoppy Loft, side by side with Either. Pours black with a medium thick tan head. Aroma of chocolate, honey and roasted malt. Flavour is heavy sweet and moderate to heavy bitter. Thick oily mouthfeel, but not quite as thick as the Either. Full bodied with soft carbonation. An excellent beer in its own right, but slightly toned down compared to the Either.

4.1
Aniela (4216) - Göteborg, SWEDEN - AUG 18, 2012
Bottle at CCB Day, Sätila 2012-07-07. Black beer with a small brown head. Dried dark fruits, malty aroma and flavour. Nice beer :-)

3.9
daje (4436) - NORWAY - JUL 28, 2012
Bottle at Mikkeller Bar, july 19th 2012. Black colored with a medium tanned head. Roasty aroma with smoke, grapefruit, cocoa. Taste of roasted malt, grapefruit, peach, coffee. Good dry bitterness, and a lasting aftertaste of roast, cocoa and hops.

3.9
alexsdad06 (10671) - West Chester, Ohio, USA - JUL 23, 2012
12 oz. bottle via normyk. Pours very dark brown to black with a small tan head. The nose has quite a bit of porter character with roasted malts, chocolate, raisin and other dark fruit, and adds the nice touch of cedar (mild) and more hops than Either. The flavor has roasted malt, chocolate, raisin, cedar, dark fruit and more hops throughout. Mouth feel is medium to medium plus and there is less honey sweetness. This is closer to a Black IPA than Either. I enjoyed both for what they are and can’t really favor one over the other.

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Reynolds314 (3470) - Connecticut, USA - JUL 22, 2012
Slightly better then either. The taste is very similar but I thought this had slightly more blended flavors and was less muddled. Roasty and citrusy with once again great drinkability.

3.9
BelgBeerGeek (1307) - Antwerp, BELGIUM - JUL 11, 2012
Thanks to Palme !

Head: medium, espresso
Colour: black
Smell: chocolat, coffee, bit of anise, some fudge, hebral , ashy
Taste: start is quite smokey, then ashy with a bit of anise. bit irony, some herbs, some alcohol, bit of coffee, actually more coffee bitter, end is grassy with again herbal notes and a slight touch of lime to my surprise ... nice one !

3.6
gnoff (10859) - Göteborg, SWEDEN - JUL 8, 2012
Bottle shared @ Timo’s/tkrjukoff’s CCB Day tasting on July 7, 2012.
Dark brown color, brown head. Grainy, malty, sweet scent. Sweet,a lcohol, malty taste. Grainy aftertaste. Smooth mouthfeel, medium high bitterness.

3.9
_angst_ (4810) - Göteborg, SWEDEN - JUL 7, 2012
UPDATED: JUL 15, 2012 355 bottle shared @ tkrjukoffs CCB Day tasting. Pours Hazy very dark brown, almost black, with a small brownish white head that quickly dissipates without leaving much trace. Smell is sweet and hoppy with dark rye bread, lemon zest, black pepper, grapefruit juice, lemon zest, salty liquorice, bitter chocolate, coffee, alcohol, toffee, golden syrup, grass and hints of dry soil. Taste is sweet and bitter with roasted malts, liquorice fudge, sweetened coffee, dark rye bread, bitter chocolate, grapefruit juice, honey, orange zest, lemon zest, dry soil, alcohol, pine and hints of resinous wood and black pepper. Mouthfeel is harsh, oily bitter, tiny tart and medium to full bodied. Finish is tiny sweet and bitter with burnt caramel, liquorice fudge, honey, grapefruit juice, grass, lemon zest, orange zest, coffee and pine.

3.8
laiti (8508) - Tampere, FINLAND - JUN 5, 2012
35,5 cl bottle @ home. Rated on 12.03.2010
Aroma is rather hoppy with exotic fruits, some roastiness and resin. Flavour is hoppy too with exotic fruits, some mango, resin, roastiness, coffee and licorice. Less roasted than Either and worse.


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