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RATINGS: 301   WEIGHTED AVG: 3.89/5   EST. CALORIES: 336   ABV: 11.2%
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High gravity black ale brewed with Ty Ty honey, copious amounts of hops and aged on toasted Spanish Cedar. Part 2 of a 4 beer collaboration between Cigar City, Hill Farmstead, and Grassroots. A note from Joey Redner: "The beers are basically black IPA’s brewed with lots of Citra, Mt. Rainier and Simcoe along with Ty Ty honey from North Florida aged on medium toast Spanish Cedar. There are different hop additions in the Hill Farmstead/Grassroots version (Or) and the 2-row base malt in the CCB version (Either) is replaced with Pilsner malt in the Vermont/Denmark version (Or). There are also some process differences which is one of the purposes of a collaboration; allowing breweries to learn from each other. The goal was to make two beers that were alike, but slightly different due to preferences in regional approach and access to ingredients. The four beers in this collaborative series will be named: Either, Or, Neither and Nor. Either and Or will release first and the other two will follow. Both Either and Or were brewed at CCB, but Neither and Nor will be brewed as single batches in both Vermont and Denmark.

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3.9
jgb9348 (6482) - Arlington (Pentagon City), Virginia, USA - OCT 16, 2011
Deep rich black to brown coloured body with almost no head at all and slightly lighter in colour than the ’either’. Aroma of pungent hops up front, alcohol, roasted malt, toffee, a touch of vanilla and a bit more hops on the back. Medium-bodied; Assertive roasted malt up first with a ton of hops hitting right behind and a good dose of sugars, followed up by a more hidden than ’either’ alcohol flavour, but it’s still a lot stronger than any other black ipa i’ve had. Aftertaste is potent with the roasted malt and the stronger hops bittering out the palate, left only in check by some light sugars and a touch of grassy herbal tastes. Overall, a nice beer - I preferred this one to the ’either’ and seems a bit lighter with a more pungent hop kick - however, they are both ridiculously strong and have a lot of character. I sampled this twelve ounce bottle in a horizontal taste with ’either’, purchased from Knightly Spirits (Orange Blossom) in Orlando, Florida on 15-November-2010 sampled at home in Washington on 16-October-2011.

3.4
48FanInCali (857) - California, USA - OCT 14, 2011
12 oz bottle. Pitch black pour with decent head and some retention. Nose of an IPA with a strong malt backbone. Taste was hoppy and not as malty as the nose would suggest. Lots of coffee. Typical if many CC beers the mouth feel is fairly syrupy which works for Bug Sound but not so much for this offering.

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ekoerper (599) - Iowa, USA - OCT 13, 2011
Aroma: rich caramel and dark sugar, coffee, roast malts, cedar notes, moderate citrus, honey. Pours pitch black, one finger of light brown head with reasonable retention, dissipates to a ring of foam over a few minutes. Great balance of malt and hops; rich, chewy caramel, toffee, nice roasty and coffee flavors without being astringent, slight sweetness. Moderately high bitterness and citrus hop flavors which pair nicely with the malt, honey, and cedar. Full body, chewy, smooth, medium carbonation. Great brew.

3.9
burg326 (5607) - Florida, USA - OCT 13, 2011
Black pour with aromas of coffee, roasted malt, citrus hops and honey. Tastes of malt, honey, and pine. Had a nice balance of hops and malt with a little bitterness at the end.

4.1
skortila (5987) - Baarn, NETHERLANDS - OCT 5, 2011
@ ACBF 2011. The aroma some citrus hops but far more coffee, roast and dark chocolate, some woody bourbon like tones. Black coloured beer with an off-white head. The taste has hopbitterness, charcoal, coffee and dark chocolates. Oily texture. Very full. Nice!

3.7
kschep (1707) - DENMARK - SEP 27, 2011
Initially Nose Is heavy bitterfresh hops and alcohol, then dark chocolate, heavy roasted malt, peppers, some oak, then, as is settles, decent bitter hops, feel is quite broad, carb is mediumlow, taste is heavy roasted sweetish malt, iron, leaves, cough syrup notes, decent hops bite

4.1
Marvid (45) - SWEDEN - SEP 3, 2011
Sep 11. Black colour with a creamy brown head, smells sweet with a bit of roasted flavours. caramel or syrup. Taste has light sweetness to it but an complex mixture of malts and roasted wood. Very enjoyable..

3.9
nightrider (754) - encinitas, California, USA - AUG 28, 2011
Pour from a bottle shared from a kind person at Woodshop. Pitch black in color with a smidge of tan head. Nice toasty malt with caramel touches. Solid hop bitterness through out the beer. Finishes balanced with just the appropriate sweet malt flavors. Good beer.

3.9
Dunbar72 (136) - Göteborg, SWEDEN - AUG 19, 2011
Bottle, thanx to Nisse666. Pours black with a small, light brown head. Aroma of roasted malt, hops, citrus and spices. Flavor of hops, pepper and dark malt. Pretty bitter finish, alcohol well hidden.

3.6
Miksu (5052) - Jyväskylä, FINLAND - AUG 19, 2011
12 oz bottle, thanks Rauno! Black color. Sweet roasty aroma with coffee, licorice and honey. Roasty coffeish flavor with licorice, wood and tobacco. Bitter finish. Woody astringent mouthfeel, very woody.


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