Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) Old Ale

Formerly brewed at Kuhnhenn Brewing
Style: Old Ale
Warren, Michigan USA


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RATINGS: 725   WEIGHTED AVG: 4/5   SEASONAL: Spring   EST. CALORIES: 330   ABV: 11%
Deep ruby red ale. Extreme malty/caramel flavor; sweet up front, finishing with hop bitterness and aroma. Very complex beer. We recommend at least four more months of age. But it is a delight to drink now.
Batch 1 - brewed late 2003, draught only.
Batch 2 - brewed 8/1/2004
Batch 3 - brewed 2/16/2005
Batch 4 - brewed end of Dec. 2005 (part of this batch was bourbon-aged)

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   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 9/10   PALATE 5/5   OVERALL 17/20
pnista (1007) - Bloomington, Indiana, USA - JUL 29, 2007
On tap. Dark murky to hazy brown with a thin light tan head. Leathery to fruity deep malt. Perhaps something slightly vegetal, but in a good way, not DMS. A little earthy, with just a peak of alcohol sticking out (which Id be shocked if there wasnt at 13.5% ABV!). Creamy full rich mouth. Really quite ideal for any heavy hitting style. A good bit of alcohol warming too. Big creamy sweet round fat malt! Big fruity taste balanced by alcohol. Diacetyl fills in with malt, making a very rich beer indeed. A bit of chocolate. Diacetyl/alcohol are loom in the finish, but not in a bad way. Really interesting big ass beer.

   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 17/20
edfitz (118) - Toledo, Ohio, USA - JUL 29, 2007
Nothing subtle about this beer. Deep brown color with sweet taste. The hops do take over in the end to make very enjoyable. THe complexity that you look for in an old ale. excellent.

   AROMA 7/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 3/5   OVERALL 18/20
jvmiller (558) - Bel Air, Maryland, USA - JUL 24, 2007
Growler from the brewery. Color is a deep brown-orange. Upon first drinking it, its warm, the alcohol is not covered up, but it seems to work well. There is a taste of some hops, caramel, and vanilla. Mouthfeel is fermented and carbonated, a little bitey. A very, very good old ale. 13.6% is a plus. Very rich.

   AROMA 9/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 9/10   PALATE 5/5   OVERALL 18/20
OldMrCrow (2433) - Seattle, Washington, USA - JUL 12, 2007
UPDATED: OCT 25, 2013 2005 Batch 3 bottling sampled July 07.

This is an extraordinary beer, pouring a dark murky reddish brown without much of a head. I really havent had anything very much like it. The aroma is huge brown sugar and dried fruit, some chocolate malt, agar or some other aspect of Luria broth (in a good way), very sweet.

The flavor is even more so. Extremely sweet, caramels intersecting with hints of lemon and candied orange that yield to a pleasing arugula-bitter hop close. The mouthfeel is thick but soft, showing only about 9% instead of its full 11% abv. Theres some wood in there, some Christmas spices, peppery on the finish. The flavors have melded beautifully with age, though the beer, and each sip takes you through a whole suite of taste and textural sensations, all of which are carried through at 110% -- this beer shows that complexity need not require subtlety.

This is stunning nightcap beer, and Id be lining the shelves of my cellar with it were it available on this coast. Ive finished it, and Im sitting here sucking on the inside my of my cheeks (I know, too much information!) to savor the lingering aftertastes of this wonderful beer.

2007 bottling sampled May 08. Thanks to tetrik I now have a few more bottles of this gem. I didnt over-rate this one before; its simply that good. Slightly fresher the alcohol is more forward (easily 11%, nd fruit is more forward and I dont get as much of the luria broth. This is absolutely splendid now and is very liklely to smooth out even more with age.

2007 bottling sampled Oct 08 Still darn good. Starting to smooth out a little, lots of roasted nuts this go around.

2007 bottling sampled May 09. Tons of fruity goodness (rich, baked apples with raisins inside) this time, glorious close that still brings a bit of heat, the beer must be peaking and seems to be pushing 4.5. Spendid!

2007 bottling sampled Thanksgiving 2010. I dont think it was peaking before, because its even better now. Heat is gone, but in its place marvelous hazelnut atop all of the caramel and baked apple and rasin This must a 4.5 beer right now. Screw it, Ill bump the rating up. It deserves it.

2004 batch 2 (?) sampled November 2013. My last bottle, and I find that this one is past its prime. Well, now we know. Aged hops and leather aroma, a slight raisiny sourness, thinner body than I remember. So it goes with the aging experiments.

   AROMA 9/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 9/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 19/20
adrian910ss (2571) - Doylestown, PA, USA - JUL 6, 2007
Batch 3. Pours a translucent ruby red amber with a small beige head. Dark fruity aroma consisting of dates, prunes, plums, figs,molasses and pancake syrup. Taste is dark fruity as well with figs, prunes, plums and dates abound and hints of sugary caramel, pancake syrup and a bit of molasses. Pleasantly sweet. Superb !!!

   AROMA 9/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 8/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 18/20
buckybeer (666) - Eau Claire, Wisconsin, USA - JUN 21, 2007
UPDATED: JUL 3, 2007 Batch 3 aquired from ( Styles ). Pours a very dark amber with a small quickly fading head. Big BIG aroma on this one. Rich fermented fruits (prune), malts, molasses. Smells more like a barleywine. Wonderful aromas. Flavor is also BIG. Rich caramel malts, barley, molasses, liqorice, ripened fruits. Mouthfeel is rich and creamy. This one was a real treat. I WANT MORE OF THIS!!! Thanks again Chris.

   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 3/5   TASTE 7/10   PALATE 3/5   OVERALL 17/20
JCB (3999) - Durham, North Carolina, USA - JUN 7, 2007
February 05 bottle from Moejuck - thanks, Joe! Ruby shading to deep brown, with minimal head and moderate carbonation. Big nose on this baby, with some luscious malts wafting (I know this isnt the barrel-aged version, but something of that feel is here nonetheless). The initial taste is gorgeous, with blackstrap molasses and a butterscotch finish. Deeper in, theres more of a dark fruit and some slightly sour funk - good stuff, but I think I prefer the initial character (maybe I should try it younger?). Anyways, a very fine old ale.

   AROMA 6/10   APPEARANCE 3/5   TASTE 6/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 13/20
BeerandBlues2 (12760) - Escondido, California, USA - JUN 2, 2007
12-oz. bottle provided via trade with Duane. Pours particulate brown with a spare fizzy light brown head, spare lacing. Aroma is heavy malt (bread, cookie), average hops (grass), average yeast (leaves, dough) with notes of vinegar, alcohol and dates. Full bodied, sticky texture, average carbonation, and a chalky finish. Long duration, moderate sweetness and bitterness, light acidity; alcoholic brown sugar, soy sauce, caramel toasted malt flavor.

   AROMA 8/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 9/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 18/20
masonjer (609) - Holt, Michigan, USA - APR 18, 2007
Nice brew here. Pours a deep brown/red. Little or no head. Smells rich and big. Taste is rich, caramel and dark fruits, prunes, malt and sweetness abound. I really enjoy this beer.

   AROMA 9/10   APPEARANCE 4/5   TASTE 9/10   PALATE 4/5   OVERALL 18/20
hoppymeal (38) - Kalamazoo, Michigan, USA - APR 17, 2007
Wow, Kuhnhenn knows old ale. This beer pours a dark brown color with hints of a deep red in the light. There is no head no matter how rapid I pour it and a low level of carbonation. Rich sugary caramel and prune aromas let me know I am in for a treat. Light bitterness in present in the taste but it is balanced and overpowered by the sweet rich malty flavors. The alcohol is so well balanced it is barely discernible, just a warming in the back of the throat in the finish. A sipper for sure, this beer is a very fine example of one of my favorite styles

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