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imdownthepub
beers 20334 º places 1601 º 01:32 Sat 10/28/2017

Originally posted by joet
Originally posted by SarkyNorthener
UK refuses to recognise Independence. Gibraltar may come into negotiation here?


In that case, who's up for merging the US with England?


That's the way it was but the US decided to go their own way.

 
The_Osprey
beers 10570 º places 178 º 03:00 Sat 10/28/2017

Originally posted by danlo
Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are listed separately on ratebeer... that's forward planning



If you follow that reasoning through, you missed out England

 
omhper
beers 30633 º places 281 º 07:09 Sat 10/28/2017

We have a policy foe this.
If Catalonia gets universally recognized we will take immediate action, as done with South Sudan and after the re-structuring of Netherlands Antilles.

If it becomes de facto independent, but not widely recognized we will put it on hold. If the situation is maintained over several years, and it becomes apparently separated from Spain from a travellers point of view, we May list it based on our rules for inclusion of disputed territories, similar to for instance Western Sahara and Abkhazia.

At this point they may be transitioning into the freezing box together with Crimea and Novorossija / Donetsk.

Gibraltar has nothing do with this discussion. They are included based on being considered a geographically separated dependency, same as French Guiana, Guam etc.)
(As we already separate UK this would probably cause headache anyway...)

 
SarkyNorthener
beers 5201 º places 142 º 08:39 Sat 10/28/2017

Originally posted by omhper
We have a policy foe this.
If Catalonia gets universally recognized we will take immediate action, as done with South Sudan and after the re-structuring of Netherlands Antilles.

If it becomes de facto independent, but not widely recognized we will put it on hold. If the situation is maintained over several years, and it becomes apparently separated from Spain from a travellers point of view, we May list it based on our rules for inclusion of disputed territories, similar to for instance Western Sahara and Abkhazia.

At this point they may be transitioning into the freezing box together with Crimea and Novorossija / Donetsk.

Gibraltar has nothing do with this discussion. They are included based on being considered a geographically separated dependency, same as French Guiana, Guam etc.)
(As we already separate UK this would probably cause headache anyway...)


I am not talking about Gibraltor in regards to Ratebeer, but I imagine it will be used as a bargaining tool by the UK government in relation to Catalonias independence.

 
ebone1988
beers 2500 º places 25 º 09:03 Sat 10/28/2017

Originally posted by imdownthepub
Originally posted by joet
Originally posted by SarkyNorthener
UK refuses to recognise Independence. Gibraltar may come into negotiation here?


In that case, who's up for merging the US with England?


That's the way it was but the US decided to go their own way.


 
teddybeer
beers 5444 º places 207 º 14:52 Sat 10/28/2017

Originally posted by omhper
(As we already separate UK this would probably cause headache anyway...)

 
adamnowek
beers 5838 º places 118 º 15:06 Sat 10/28/2017

Originally posted by omhper
At this point they may be transitioning into the freezing box together with Crimea and Novorossija / Donetsk.


That’s a bizarre comparison; this situation is much closer to Kosovo.

 
omhper
beers 30633 º places 281 º 15:49 Sat 10/28/2017

Originally posted by adamnowek
Originally posted by omhper
At this point they may be transitioning into the freezing box together with Crimea and Novorossija / Donetsk.


That’s a bizarre comparison; this situation is much closer to Kosovo.


No. Kosovo has wide recognition.
Catalonia still has not. Should that change, we act.

We just draw the map, based from a thirsty travellers perspective.

On a personal plane, I am just hoping for a peaceful resolution whatever the outcome, and am much looking forward to a future visit to the the famous beer bars in Barcelona.

 
teddybeer
beers 5444 º places 207 º 16:22 Sat 10/28/2017

Originally posted by omhper
Originally posted by adamnowek
Originally posted by omhper
At this point they may be transitioning into the freezing box together with Crimea and Novorossija / Donetsk.


That’s a bizarre comparison; this situation is much closer to Kosovo.


No. Kosovo has wide recognition.
Catalonia still has not. Should that change, we act.

We just draw the map, based from a thirsty travellers perspective.

On a personal plane, I am just hoping for a peaceful resolution whatever the outcome, and am much looking forward to a future visit to the the famous beer bars in Barcelona.



Of course, Kosovo, as far as I know, has the recognition of the States and the most important countries from European Union.
The main authorities around the world don't support Catalonian independence... up to now...

 
adamnowek
beers 5838 º places 118 º 16:34 Sat 10/28/2017

Originally posted by omhper
Originally posted by adamnowek
Originally posted by omhper
At this point they may be transitioning into the freezing box together with Crimea and Novorossija / Donetsk.


That’s a bizarre comparison; this situation is much closer to Kosovo.


No. Kosovo has wide recognition.
Catalonia still has not. Should that change, we act.

We just draw the map, based from a thirsty travellers perspective.

On a personal plane, I am just hoping for a peaceful resolution whatever the outcome, and am much looking forward to a future visit to the the famous beer bars in Barcelona.



Kosovo does not have wide recognition (57% of UN member states and enough countries in the European Union to prevent them from becoming a member in the foreseeable future) and would require a generation’s-worth of political and societal change (in Serbia) to get there.

But I’m glad that RB’s approach to adding new countries is basically the same as Wikitravel’s. If it results in a visible change in entry procedures, then it should be a new territory on the map (and as with any other Declaration of Independence, these things take time; as of now, there are no border controls that would suggest that you are entering a non-Schengen territory under the jurisdiction of a state that is not Spain). That’s why Crimea and Novorossiya are in their own category, as no other territories like them really exist.