De Molen Raad & Daad

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77ships
beers 10575 º places 229 º 04:04 Tue 7/2/2013

Originally posted by 502F
So it was an awful piece of crap that De Mollen shouldnt sell if they cared about the consumer (according to your earlier post), and you gave it a 3.8?


I like pure vinegar / acetone brews & I am not the only one. There are plenty brews like that which have gotten 90+ score on RB. They are not as good as a properly made sour but they can still be fun.

 
sthlm
beers 790 º places 147 º 06:57 Tue 7/2/2013

De Molen has made some good beers, but I'm unlikely to ever buy another bottle from them due to their combination of high prices, quality control issues, and abysmal customer service. Not that I can address any issues with Raad & Daad specifically.

 
caesar
beers 7165 º places 389 º 00:08 Thu 7/4/2013

Originally posted by GT2
This would not be the first time for some infection issues


Well, it was supposed to be extremely sour, that was exactly their intention. :P

 
sebletitje
beers 10252 º places 428 º 01:23 Thu 7/4/2013

Originally posted by sthlm
De Molen has made some good beers, but I'm unlikely to ever buy another bottle from them due to their combination of high prices, quality control issues, and abysmal customer service. Not that I can address any issues with Raad & Daad specifically.


I agree that since they expanded their production and started mass producing BA version of this, BA version of that, with single hop version of another beer, many of their beers have been quite so so.

 
77ships
beers 10575 º places 229 º 01:53 Thu 7/4/2013

Originally posted by sebletitje
Originally posted by sthlm
De Molen has made some good beers, but I'm unlikely to ever buy another bottle from them due to their combination of high prices, quality control issues, and abysmal customer service. Not that I can address any issues with Raad & Daad specifically.


I agree that since they expanded their production and started mass producing BA version of this, BA version of that, with single hop version of another beer, many of their beers have been quite so so.


Luckily Holland has a lot of excellent breweries to offer which are making great beers without infection and consistent high quality. Breweries like Emelisse, La Trappe, Rooie Dop, Oersoep, Natte Gijt etc.

 
sebletitje
beers 10252 º places 428 º 02:49 Thu 7/4/2013

Recently had 'T Ij, great beers as well.

 
GT
beers 10001 º places 672 º 02:53 Thu 7/4/2013

Originally posted by caesar
Originally posted by GT2
This would not be the first time for some infection issues


Well, it was supposed to be extremely sour, that was exactly their intention. :P


Misread this then. Didn't realize we were splitting up two sours. I thought one was normal and one soured accidently...which makes the splitting of the beers even more strange.

 
caesar
beers 7165 º places 389 º 03:14 Thu 7/4/2013

Originally posted by GT2
Originally posted by caesar
Originally posted by GT2
This would not be the first time for some infection issues


Well, it was supposed to be extremely sour, that was exactly their intention. :P


Misread this then. Didn't realize we were splitting up two sours. I thought one was normal and one soured accidently...which makes the splitting of the beers even more strange.


To summarise:
Bottled: blond in color, more aroma of horseblanket and typical Brett funky stuff. Medium sour
Tap: amber color, more aroma of balsamic vinegar. Sour to the most extreme you have ever tasted.

Btw: we do split sours more often. To mention jonge & oude Lambik, which is kind of strange we do that when you think about it.

 
sebletitje
beers 10252 º places 428 º 03:20 Thu 7/4/2013

I would not even compare lambics (the way they are in Belgium) with brewers doing some experimentation with wild yeasts (many strains) which many cannot control, then have an unexpected batch go bad - sour, and label it a sour beer. I call it, cheating your customers.

 
chriso
beers 7583 º places 718 º 03:21 Thu 7/4/2013

Originally posted by GT2
Originally posted by caesar
Originally posted by GT2
This would not be the first time for some infection issues


Well, it was supposed to be extremely sour, that was exactly their intention. :P


Misread this then. Didn't realize we were splitting up two sours. I thought one was normal and one soured accidently...which makes the splitting of the beers even more strange.

Actually more like splitting a sour from a draught vinegar I'd say! Although I haven't tasted the bottled version so I have no clear basis for comparison. To be fair I was warned, and offered a taster of the draught, at De Molen but, hey, I'm a sourhead so I shrugged it off. In De Wildeman told me that they had a keg and took it off immediately when they realised it was pure vinegar.