Gwynt y Ddraig Autumn Magic - unrateable?

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mR_fr0g
beers 25086 º places 44 º 09:28 Sun 9/3/2017

Not sure why this one has been marked as unrateable.

Description is here 'cider with blackberries' Seems legit to me.

 
chriso
beers 7540 º places 736 º 09:36 Sun 9/3/2017

Probably a throwback to when all fruit ciders were unrateable that hasn't been changed. I'd imagine there are plenty more like that as I don't think there was any systematic exercise to remove the unrateable tag. If anyone spots any more they can post them here.

 
mR_fr0g
beers 25086 º places 44 º 09:41 Sun 9/3/2017

Thanks Chris!

 
minutemat
beers 12227 º places 416 º 10:02 Sun 9/3/2017

I brought this up a while ago but was swiftly dismissed and unchanged

 
tommann
beers 6466 º places 33 º 13:27 Sun 9/3/2017

Strongbow Dark Fruits is rateable, that pretty much makes the case for any other uk fruit cider in my eyes!

 
Leighton
beers 31227 º places 1136 º 16:57 Sun 9/3/2017

Fruited ciders are pretty big now it seems, beyond the realm of Strongbow et al. I think we would do well to take a more inclusive stance on these ciders.

 
LazyPyro
beers 6338 º places 60 º 21:47 Sun 9/3/2017

I'd like to see more rateable fruit ciders too, regardless of people's opinions of them whether loved or loathed I never really understood why so many are excluded. I got into ciders before I got into beer so I have a ton of old ratings from the major Swedish producers like Kopparberg, Rekorderlig and Herrljunga that I'd love to add here.

The definition of what constitutes a "cider" seems very loose and isn't taken seriously in any major cider producing countries. Also there are cider producers on here for whom some of their ciders are rateable and others unrateable despite being almost identical apart from which fruit was infused into it. One example of this is Bulmers UK. All their fruit ciders are rateable except Black Cherry ( https://www.ratebeer.com/beer/bulmers-cider-bold-black-cherry/209678/) which was made unrateable at some point in 2015. Why? It's literally the same drink the only difference is which fruit was infused. Why is the ruling on this so inconsistent? I say either make them all rateable or all unrateable, preferably the former because I see no benefit to excluding so many.

 
LazyPyro
beers 6338 º places 60 º 21:51 Sun 9/3/2017

Originally posted by chriso
If anyone spots any more they can post them here.

Do admins have the power to make them rateable again then? If so, I have a list of at least 28 ciders (some of which are standard apple ciders - not even fruit infused) that I was unable to add a rating for when I went through and added all my cider ratings a couple of months ago. I will post links to each of them here if it will result in them being changed.

 
FatPhil
beers 23007 º places 842 º 02:27 Mon 9/4/2017

Search for Somersby - see the chaos that ensues. Multiple versions of the same drink, just made in different facilities, and some are rateable, some are unrateable despite being the same.

 
chriso
beers 7540 º places 736 º 04:49 Mon 9/4/2017

Originally posted by Leighton
Fruited ciders are pretty big now it seems, beyond the realm of Strongbow et al. I think we would do well to take a more inclusive stance on these ciders.

I thought we did?

 
chriso
beers 7540 º places 736 º 05:02 Mon 9/4/2017

Originally posted by FatPhil
Search for Somersby - see the chaos that ensues. Multiple versions of the same drink, just made in different facilities, and some are rateable, some are unrateable despite being the same.

The fact of the matter is that the UK versions of these monstrosities are actually made with apples (or at least apple juice) and thus pass muster, however crappy they might be. The big UK producers - especially those that have long-established roots in cidermaking - have oodles of apples and don't really have any reason to derive the alcoholic content from alternative sources. There are a few outfits that specialise in what mighty be described as alcopops (or, to use the trade term, RTDs), with opaque provenance and production processes, whose "ciders" might be viewed with a high degree of suspicion.