I’m confused - Scotch Ale vs. Scottish Ale

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Martinus
beers 5018 º places 224 º 04:02 Thu 12/13/2012

I’m trying for some time to find the difference between a Scottish ale and a Scotch ale. I know there has been talk on the forums about it before (most noticable this thread), but it doesn’t make it much clearer for me, as it seems that a lot of the beers categorised on this site seem to be quite random, and I’ve tasted some Belgian Scotch ales and two American ones and in none there was distinct peat.

So, could someone please tell me once and for all what the difference is? And how do Belgian Scotch ales fit into that (I do know that the style came to Belgium during/after The Great War, but they seem to be out of sync with the style descriptions I’ve encountered). Or maybe give a typical homebrew recipe for both styles to mark the difference?

I hope this could make it clear for me. Thanks!

 
chriso
beers 7540 º places 736 º 04:12 Thu 12/13/2012

http://www.ratebeer.com/Beer-News/Article-593.htm

Or, to sum up very briefly (in the style of Mr Cadden), "It’s all a load a pish"

 
Beersiveknown
beers 5380 º places 178 º 04:14 Thu 12/13/2012

http://www.bjcp.org/2008styles/style09.php bear in mind these have no correlation with historic brewing practices and were effectively invented for an imagined "style". Ron pattinson has shown scotish brewers used no less hops than those south of the border and in some cases more.

 
chriso
beers 7540 º places 736 º 04:23 Thu 12/13/2012

Originally posted by Beersiveknown
http://www.bjcp.org/2008styles/style09.php bear in mind these have no correlation with historic brewing practices and were effectively invented for an imagined "style". Ron patynson has shown scotish brewers used no less hops than those south of the border and in some cases more.

All covered in Silk’s article, linked above, too.

 
CanIHave4Beers
beers 4348 º places 76 º 06:58 Thu 12/13/2012

Originally posted by chriso


http://www.ratebeer.com/Beer-News/Article-593.htm





Or, to sum up very briefly (in the style of Mr Cadden), "It’s all a load a pish"








Slow and deliberately repeated Ad nauseam IT IS ALL PALE ALE

 
BBB63
beers 6567 º places 146 º 07:04 Thu 12/13/2012

Originally posted by Beersiveknown
http://www.bjcp.org/2008styles/style09.php bear in mind these have no correlation with historic brewing practices and were effectively invented for an imagined "style". Ron patynson has shown scotish brewers used no less hops than those south of the border and in some cases more.


It is Ron Pattinson FTW

 
FatPhil
beers 22992 º places 842 º 07:18 Thu 12/13/2012

I’d really like to make some iconic contribution to this thread.

 
harrisoni
beers 24439 º places 68 º 08:20 Thu 12/13/2012

For me a Scotch Ale is something from Belgium, something like this



http://www.ratebeer.com/beer/gordon-finest-scotch--douglas-scotch-ale/10079/



A strongish (8% ABV) beer with strong malt character, a big ESB if you will.



I personally don’t have a problem with Scotch Ales as a style or nomenclature. SilkTork does a good job explaining the history of it via John Martin in Belgium.



Scottish Ale is as SilkTork says in his article (and I paraphrase here) something that is completely made up as a style based on assumptions and myths and has nothing to do with Scotland or the beers brewed there or any kind or reality at all. How you brew a Scottish Ale, I don’t know as I don’t know what one is. Apparently I’ve drunk 9 of them, and this is the commercial description from Williams 80/-



"A traditional Scottish ale brewed with an emphasis on the malt characteristics. Lightly hopped, as is true to this style of beer, with fruity malt aromas and a toffeeish mouth feel"



Again this is just a re-tread of the myth that SilkTork exploded.



Oh and yes, they are all pale ales.

 
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beers 227 º places 4 º 09:00 Thu 12/13/2012

 
JMerritt
places 72 º 09:15 Thu 12/13/2012
 
beerinmeear
places 1 º 09:22 Thu 12/13/2012

it’s like Canada geese and Canadian geese- there really no such thing as the latter (except for any goose that hangs out in Canada), but if someone says "hey look at that Canadian goose" you’re a prick if you correct them