Malt choice for black lager

What dark malt can be used to give a black lager its dark color and not overpower the beer?
What dark malt can be used to make a black ipa?
cheerstevo

For a black lager, a small amount of de-bittered caraffa III. Or sinamar. Either would suffice.

thanks

I agree on the de-bittered. Northern Brewer also lists a de-bittered black malt and de-husked Carafa.

Originally posted by SpringsLicker
I agree on the de-bittered. Northern Brewer also lists a de-bittered black malt and de-husked Carafa.

Is there another name for debittered Carafa III? I’ve never heard of it btw.

I bottled this a few weeks ago but I think it’s too roasty/ chocolately for my liking (it may mellow in the bottle), the bitterness may have caused this. It’s the style of beer that got me into brewing so it’s the style I aim to perfect.

2250g Pilsner Malt
675g Caramunich Malt
235g Carafa II

15g Sterling 60m
30g Saaz 15m
250g DME as a starter

1 Pkt Bohemian Lager Yeast

Originally posted by Ovalman
Is there another name for debittered Carafa III? I’ve never heard of it

After a Google, I ordered my grains crushed together (I didn’t know otherwise) and everything was mashed for 60 minutes and then sparged. But my recipe said the Carafa II should have been a late addition and added at the sparge stage. Just re-reading the bitterness issue and I think this has caused the problem.

Next time I brew something similar I’ll get the Carafa ordered separate.

The dehusked Weyermann Carafa is called Carafa Special.

Sinamar is the shit. Use it. I know folks that use midnight wheat for coloring as well and it’s even more neutral than carafa.

I am a fan of Weyermann Carafa 3 Special as well, crush it but then put it on the top of the grain bed after mashing before recirc and runoff.