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Message puzzl beers 3258 º places 138 º 18:20 Wed 1/27/2010 Originally posted by miketd Originally posted by TAR In the top ten Best Brewers list: Founders Dieu du Ciel Great Divide Brewing Company Stone Brewing Co. Brouwerij de Molen Utterly aghast about this. I can’t think of one really good beer from any of these brewers, but can think of many that are just plain clumsy, poor and riddled with flaws. We should expect so much more from craft beer, and I say this with the kindest of intentions (although I will undoubtedly be perceived as a snooty mean person). Not trying to be a dick here, but looking at your top 100 ratings, only a few are recent; almost all of them are from 3+ years ago. Maybe you outgrew beer? I wager he’s like me, in that over time the element of surprise disappears, and ratings get lower. The more you drink, the more you know, and the lower your ratings get. But that doesn’t mean beer becomes less enjoyable, merely that your standards have become higher before you judge a beer to be world class. I know personally that I enjoy beer now more than ever, despite my top 50 being rather stagnant. A 4.2 now means a lot more today than it did five years ago, because I no longer just award it for stuff like "wow, this is the hoppiest/strongest/sourest/brettiest/craziest beer I’ve ever had!" Now, a 4.2 is something truly world class, something I’d love to revisit over and over again, something that just brings me pure pleasure. I think a lot of what TAR is getting at is that the breweries he listed just don’t bring that kind of A game to the table that yields 4s for true beer geeks. But their stuff is strong, accessible, and decent enough, and most ratings here are still coming from newer folk (especially of the beers in question), so they get judged a bit higher. Also important is that only a brewers top 3 or 4 beers count; consistency is not an issue at all, and brewers like Great Divide can get by on Yeti/OA Yeti/Chocolate Yeti/Bourbon Yeti alone and not have to worry that Samurai blows.
Message miketd beers 5 º places 125 º 18:36 Wed 1/27/2010 Originally posted by puzzl Originally posted by miketd Originally posted by TAR In the top ten Best Brewers list: Founders Dieu du Ciel Great Divide Brewing Company Stone Brewing Co. Brouwerij de Molen Utterly aghast about this. I can’t think of one really good beer from any of these brewers, but can think of many that are just plain clumsy, poor and riddled with flaws. We should expect so much more from craft beer, and I say this with the kindest of intentions (although I will undoubtedly be perceived as a snooty mean person). Not trying to be a dick here, but looking at your top 100 ratings, only a few are recent; almost all of them are from 3+ years ago. Maybe you outgrew beer? I wager he’s like me, in that over time the element of surprise disappears, and ratings get lower. The more you drink, the more you know, and the lower your ratings get. But that doesn’t mean beer becomes less enjoyable, merely that your standards have become higher before you judge a beer to be world class. I know personally that I enjoy beer now more than ever, despite my top 50 being rather stagnant. A 4.2 now means a lot more today than it did five years ago, because I no longer just award it for stuff like "wow, this is the hoppiest/strongest/sourest/brettiest/craziest beer I’ve ever had!" Now, a 4.2 is something truly world class, something I’d love to revisit over and over again, something that just brings me pure pleasure. I think a lot of what TAR is getting at is that the breweries he listed just don’t bring that kind of A game to the table that yields 4s for true beer geeks. But their stuff is strong, accessible, and decent enough, and most ratings here are still coming from newer folk (especially of the beers in question), so they get judged a bit higher. Also important is that only a brewers top 3 or 4 beers count; consistency is not an issue at all, and brewers like Great Divide can get by on Yeti/OA Yeti/Chocolate Yeti/Bourbon Yeti alone and not have to worry that Samurai blows. I understand, as I’m much more critical of beer and brewers than I was a few years ago. And the more that I think about it, I only have issue with Founders being on his list.
Message gunhaver beers 1030 º places 13 º 18:47 Wed 1/27/2010 i’m practically blinded by the glistening sheen off of puzzl and miketd’s pretentious e-cocks

Message miketd beers 5 º places 125 º 18:56 Wed 1/27/2010 Originally posted by gunhaver i’m practically blinded by the glistening sheen off of puzzl and miketd’s pretentious e-cocks Talk to me when you come out of your Cigar City coma. And for the record, my e-cock is gigantic!
Message puzzl beers 3258 º places 138 º 19:04 Wed 1/27/2010 Originally posted by gunhaver i’m practically blinded by the glistening sheen off of puzzl and miketd’s pretentious e-cocks Once again, you’ve succeeded in adding absolutely nothing to a thread. Keep working at it, though, perhaps one day you’ll come up with something of substance.
Message fata2683 beers 2176 º places 131 º 19:08 Wed 1/27/2010 Originally posted by TAR In the top ten Best Brewers list: Founders Dieu du Ciel Great Divide Brewing Company Stone Brewing Co. Brouwerij de Molen Utterly aghast about this. I can’t think of one really good beer from any of these brewers, but can think of many that are just plain clumsy, poor and riddled with flaws. We should expect so much more from craft beer, and I say this with the kindest of intentions (although I will undoubtedly be perceived as a snooty mean person). I personally love many De Molen brews.
Message MaxxDaddy P beers 415 º places 32 º 19:11 Wed 1/27/2010 Originally posted by fata2683 Originally posted by TAR In the top ten Best Brewers list: Founders Dieu du Ciel Great Divide Brewing Company Stone Brewing Co. Brouwerij de Molen Utterly aghast about this. I can’t think of one really good beer from any of these brewers, but can think of many that are just plain clumsy, poor and riddled with flaws. We should expect so much more from craft beer, and I say this with the kindest of intentions (although I will undoubtedly be perceived as a snooty mean person). I personally love many De Molen brews. I’ve only had a few of their stouts and Bommen & Granaten, with the latter being the only beer I didn’t like. SSS, Hemel & Aarde, and Hel & Verdoemenis were all very very good. Obviously I can’t make a true judgment call here, but I’d like to think that they deserve to be on the list.

Message MatSciGuy beers 924 º 19:47 Wed 1/27/2010 I think it’s funny that Consecration is the top Session beer. At a whopping 10%, not many people other than BDR are going to be sessioning that stuff
Message puzzl beers 3258 º places 138 º 19:56 Wed 1/27/2010 Originally posted by MatSciGuy I think it’s funny that Consecration is the top Session beer. At a whopping 10%, not many people other than BDR are going to be sessioning that stuff Yeah I’m not sure I agree with Sour Ales being placed on the Session list.
Message Soonah beers 1120 º places 2 º 20:01 Wed 1/27/2010 The list doesn’t include quite enough Cigar City beers. I’m really disappointed that the triple canteloupe infused, cedar aged brown ale didn’t make the list. At least the double canteloupe infused, cedar aged squirrel shit brown ale did.