Originally posted by OldSock I’ve always wondered why anyone uses hops in sour beers. They inhibit lactobacillus and since we’re not selling it, don’t have to answer to any government agency, and bitterness isn’t a desired characteristic in sour beers I just don’t see any reason to use them Originally posted by OldSock I think that the amount of time on fruit is a good guideline, but I think that you can get a beer sour and complex in less time than a year or two. 3 - 6 months of fermentation is probably ideal seeing as lacto is done pretty quickly and Brett is basically done in 3 months. Originally posted by OldSock Agreed on this amount of fruit. Any less and you’ll be disappointed with the fruit character. If the OP decides to use the Welch’s concentrate, he’d need to double the amount that I posted to get it in that range. |
Originally posted by HornyDevil Hops (and many spices) contain compounds called glycosides that are the combination of a sugar and an aromatic molecule. Some strains of Brett (those that produce beta-glycosidase) are able to ferment the sugar, liberating the aromatic molecule. How important is this to the final flavor of a lambic? I really have no idea, but with the time and effort that goes into these beers why not spend a couple bucks to buy them or leave some extra low AA% varieties sitting around open? Odds are there isn’t much Lacto alive in the Cantillon bottles, given their high hopping rate, so he’ll be relying on slower moving Pedio. I’d rather save the fruit for as late as possible to preserve its fresh aromatics. Personal choice and what-not. Works either way, but the results will be different. If there is anything I’m really coming to accept from two years of researching how different breweries make their sour beers, it’s that there is never a single right/ideal answer to any step/ingredient. There is only developing a complete process that fits your time/equipment/tastes. |
Originally posted by OldSock Well said. |
On this subject, I have a batch aging that took half a batch of 100% dark Munich sour base and combined it with a half pound of D90 and 46 oz. of Welch’s Concord grape concentrate. Brewed the base beer in May and put it on the grape concentrate in September. Will probably bottle it in December or January. Anxious to taste what the grape conc. did to the base as on racking the base was nicely tart, but lacked any real complexity. |
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Horny, You ever bottle this yet? |
Originally posted by Unclerudy I wish, but it’s not ready yet. Most probably will bottle it in May. I’ll post results when I do. |
I was thinking of taking my new england cider out my barrel that it has been in for a year, and throwing in a lambic that I am brewing this weekend. Or letting the beer ferment in the carboy and then add it to the barrel later with the juice concentrate. |
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