Splitting up more countries into regions

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Ernest
beers 9435 º places 229 º 17:18 Wed 7/13/2016

Originally posted by solidfunk
What does "quite a long trip" mean in a Danish sense? Curious question from a Canadian here, hahahah.

While Denmark is tiny (relatively speaking), Rønne is on a separate island, on the other side of the southern tip of Sweden, so by car it would require driving through part of Sweden and then taking a ferry. So yeah, it would be a bit of a chore! Only about 100 miles apparently, but not as simple/quick as it would be on the mainland.

 
HenrikSoegaard
beers 20830 º places 692 º 03:59 Thu 7/14/2016

6 hours by boat directly, or 1 hour by car + 1,5 hours by boat through Sweden.

Originally posted by solidfunk
Originally posted by HenrikSoegaard
It could be a good idea to seperate Bornholm from Hovedstaden as there are quite a long trip from Copenhagen to Rønne! That makes 6 regions in Denmark.(and most raters had tried Svaneke of Beer Here)
Originally posted by nilsas
Originally posted by Cunningham
If you want a really lot of new regions: Go Norway


Norway (19), Sweeden (21), Denmark (5) and Finland (6),
Clear defined regions and reasonable amounts of breweies.
I do split them today in my spreadsheet for own statistical purpose.
I would not mind at all if that was allready handled in RB.



What does "quite a long trip" mean in a Danish sense? Curious question from a Canadian here, hahahah.


 
konstifik
beers 573 º places 37 º 06:35 Thu 7/14/2016

Originally posted by nilsas
Originally posted by Cunningham
If you want a really lot of new regions: Go Norway


Norway (19), Sweeden (21), Denmark (5) and Finland (6),
Clear defined regions and reasonable amounts of breweies.
I do split them today in my spreadsheet for own statistical purpose.
I would not mind at all if that was allready handled in RB.


To me it would make more sense to divide Sweden by provinces (25) rather than counties (21). While the counties have regional administration, the provinces are more commonly used when talking about the geography of Sweden. I can’t even name all the counties, but I could easily name and place all the provinces on a map.

 
Lowenbrau
beers 5866 º places 432 º 06:41 Thu 7/14/2016

Originally posted by Benzai
Originally posted by Hamirubi
Great. I’m very excited to hear that.
This is the list of premium members - not always admins, though! - willing to take a part of the work (if I am any good at reading between the lines) and having the expertise. They at least said that a splitting up of their/that country "can be done" or "it wouldn’t take very long".

Belgium = tderoeck or solidfunk
http://www.ratebeer.com/sendmessage/101220/ or http://www.ratebeer.com/sendmessage/128160/

Denmark = HenrikSoegaard
http://www.ratebeer.com/sendmessage/17613/

The Netherlands = Benzai
http://www.ratebeer.com/sendmessage/130058/

Poland = Radek Kliber
http://www.ratebeer.com/sendmessage/606/

Spain = Lowenbrau
http://www.ratebeer.com/sendmessage/37316/

Scotland = GlasgowTAD
http://www.ratebeer.com/sendmessage/292309/

(Japan = KansaiBeerLvrs ? )


I don’t what to impose this work onto these RB members, but if they have the time these guys are the perfect men in place.



<i />(edit: Lowenbrau added to the list)<i />



Definitely can be done, but as you already mentioned I’m not an Admin so I will have to be told an tought as to where and how I can be of any help. Up for it though, just say when.


+1.
As Benzai says, we will need clear instructions on how to proceed with this.

 
HenrikSoegaard
beers 20830 º places 692 º 13:09 Thu 7/14/2016

And for me it takes additional 3,5 hours to get to Copenhagen. So 6-10 hours travelling. Depending on route. (The ferrry from sweden is very expensive).

Originally posted by HenrikSoegaard
6 hours by boat directly, or 1 hour by car + 1,5 hours by boat through Sweden.
Originally posted by solidfunk
Originally posted by HenrikSoegaard
It could be a good idea to seperate Bornholm from Hovedstaden as there are quite a long trip from Copenhagen to Rønne! That makes 6 regions in Denmark.(and most raters had tried Svaneke of Beer Here)
Originally posted by nilsas
Originally posted by Cunningham
If you want a really lot of new regions: Go Norway


Norway (19), Sweeden (21), Denmark (5) and Finland (6),
Clear defined regions and reasonable amounts of breweies.
I do split them today in my spreadsheet for own statistical purpose.
I would not mind at all if that was allready handled in RB.



What does "quite a long trip" mean in a Danish sense? Curious question from a Canadian here, hahahah.



 
Desverger
beers 29281 º places 383 º 05:36 Fri 7/15/2016

Originally posted by Ernest
Originally posted by solidfunk
What does "quite a long trip" mean in a Danish sense? Curious question from a Canadian here, hahahah.

While Denmark is tiny (relatively speaking), Rønne is on a separate island, on the other side of the southern tip of Sweden, so by car it would require driving through part of Sweden and then taking a ferry. So yeah, it would be a bit of a chore! Only about 100 miles apparently, but not as simple/quick as it would be on the mainland.


We decided against going via car/ferry. We flew to Bornholm from here in Copenhagen (25min flight) in early June this year, wonderful place and timing was perfect with the weather. Well worth the trip just to visit Penyllan http://www.ratebeer.com/p/penyllan-bar-kitchen/61963/ - must be one of the best views from a bar anywhere :)

 
HenrikSoegaard
beers 20830 º places 692 º 11:51 Fri 7/15/2016

I second that. I brought my mother in law for a beer yesterday. She loved it! Bornholm is finally getting on the beermap besides Svaneke! And it is a magnificient place.

Originally posted by Desverger
Originally posted by Ernest
Originally posted by solidfunk
What does "quite a long trip" mean in a Danish sense? Curious question from a Canadian here, hahahah.

While Denmark is tiny (relatively speaking), Rønne is on a separate island, on the other side of the southern tip of Sweden, so by car it would require driving through part of Sweden and then taking a ferry. So yeah, it would be a bit of a chore! Only about 100 miles apparently, but not as simple/quick as it would be on the mainland.


We decided against going via car/ferry. We flew to Bornholm from here in Copenhagen (25min flight) in early June this year, wonderful place and timing was perfect with the weather. Well worth the trip just to visit Penyllan http://www.ratebeer.com/p/penyllan-bar-kitchen/61963/ - must be one of the best views from a bar anywhere :)

 
nilsas
beers 9355 º places 322 º 05:10 Sun 7/17/2016

Originally posted by konstifik
Originally posted by nilsas
Originally posted by Cunningham
If you want a really lot of new regions: Go Norway


Norway (19), Sweeden (21), Denmark (5) and Finland (6),
Clear defined regions and reasonable amounts of breweies.
I do split them today in my spreadsheet for own statistical purpose.
I would not mind at all if that was allready handled in RB.


To me it would make more sense to divide Sweden by provinces (25) rather than counties (21). While the counties have regional administration, the provinces are more commonly used when talking about the geography of Sweden. I can’t even name all the counties, but I could easily name and place all the provinces on a map.


That makes sense too. When I started dividing scandinavia What I found for Sweden was Lan, and for Denmark I found Regions. After your reply here I looked futher and found the Provinces you mentioned, and also more dividing for Denmar (8 instead of 5). That can be a way to go and can easlily be rebuild.
fyi: http://www2.nrm.se/fbo/coll/nor/provins.html.se

 
ekstedt
beers 8338 º places 428 º 05:44 Sun 7/17/2016

Originally posted by nilsas
Originally posted by konstifik
Originally posted by nilsas
Originally posted by Cunningham
If you want a really lot of new regions: Go Norway


Norway (19), Sweeden (21), Denmark (5) and Finland (6),
Clear defined regions and reasonable amounts of breweies.
I do split them today in my spreadsheet for own statistical purpose.
I would not mind at all if that was allready handled in RB.


To me it would make more sense to divide Sweden by provinces (25) rather than counties (21). While the counties have regional administration, the provinces are more commonly used when talking about the geography of Sweden. I can’t even name all the counties, but I could easily name and place all the provinces on a map.


That makes sense too. When I started dividing scandinavia What I found for Sweden was Lan, and for Denmark I found Regions. After your reply here I looked futher and found the Provinces you mentioned, and also more dividing for Denmar (8 instead of 5). That can be a way to go and can easlily be rebuild.
fyi: http://www2.nrm.se/fbo/coll/nor/provins.html.se


The question of using swedish län (official provinces/regions) or landskap (historical provinces /regions) is not that simple. I some parts, people associate themselves more with the historical regions, while this is not the case in northern Sweden and in Stockholm and Göteborg, the two latter cities being divided by two landskap.

I would definitely vote for län, partly because I live in Göteborg and have no feeling of being part of any landskap, and partly because I think official administrative regions are more proper.

 
yngwie
beers 22212 º places 393 º 06:27 Sun 7/17/2016

Originally posted by nilsas
Originally posted by Cunningham
If you want a really lot of new regions: Go Norway


Norway (19), Sweeden (21), Denmark (5) and Finland (6),
Clear defined regions and reasonable amounts of breweies.
I do split them today in my spreadsheet for own statistical purpose.
I would not mind at all if that was allready handled in RB.


As Norway is going through a process of merging our counties from 19 towards 10 or so, and most likely also move the borders, I see no use for a subdivision of Norway at the moment. The process have started, only two of them have decided to merge, but it will most likely take some years to finish the work. And it will be a rather manual job to decide which county a brewery or place belong to as the county is not part of our adresses and the zip codes don’t follow the counties.
The only thing I see that could make me vote for a subdivision of Norway in the admin forum is if all the splitting is actually going to happen soon and it will be years until the next time. And, it must be possible to merge counties in the db later on.