Gwynt y Ddraig Autumn Magic - unrateable?

Agreed, would have done the same for those exact reasons. Seems they're growing in popularity too so absolutely expect someone will add them again next year.

Originally posted by LazyPyro

Originally posted by chriso

Originally posted by The_Osprey
Just had a beer deleted notification for Cranes Cider. Take it they're synthetic then?

Sorry, never heard of Cranes Cider. So, not of my doing.

Something I can actually chime in on. Yeah they're not a cider (or even an RTD) and they admit this themselves without giving specific reasons why. They ran a fairly successful crowdfunding campaign last year and it was mentioned as part of their strategy talking about competitors. Direct quote from the campaign:

Cranes has a number of unique selling points. It is brewed purely from cranberries, it is high in juice, has reduced sugar and is lower in calories. Our main competitors are branded flavoured ciders such as Kopparberg, Rekorderlig and Old Mout Cider. Although we are not officially classed as a cider, or an RTD, we are offering people who drink these products a distinctive alternative choice. We believe we have more natural, better tasting and healthier product.

https://www.seedrs.com/cranes/sections/market - Note that they also write 'cider' in quotation marks in the subtitle. They don't go into too much detail about the brewing process but the fact they can't even officially class themselves as cider yet still use the name in marketing (though not on their bottles it seems) tells you all you need to know I think.

I quoted some stuff earlier in this thread somewhere about Kopparberg specifically. On both their UK and US websites the way they describe the cider is worded strangely and as chriso and others explained they don't seem to be making cider in the traditional way and don't explicitly claim to be doing so either, but I must admit I don't know too much about that subject at all.

Old Mout appear to be an exception though it sounds like they do in fact make cider properly and infuse with fruit after, similar to how Bulmers/Magners and the like over here supposedly do. Though I may be very wrong so feel free to correct me if so! At least in my unprofessional opinion I found Old Mout ciders generally tasted better and more apple-y than Kopparberg/Rekorderlig - that being said I will admit to really enjoying them in my younger days, a guilty pleasure (don't worry my tastes have improved greatly since then).

But yeah I imagine they do a small amount of fermentation so they can make such claims. Probably wouldn't be worth the legal issues to attempt to get away with lying about it?

Originally posted by LazyPyro
On both their UK and US websites the way they describe the cider is worded strangely and as chriso and others explained they don't seem to be making cider in the traditional way and don't explicitly claim to be doing so either, but I must admit I don't know too much about that subject at all.