Mahr’s Ungespundet Keller

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KimJohansen
beers 10511 º places 13 º 04:21 Thu 11/19/2015

Trying to dial in the Mahr’s U grain bill. Anyone have an idea? Seems quite malty for the style.

 
JulienHuxley
beers 6219 º places 450 º 09:43 Thu 11/19/2015

Aye! Interested in this as well. I thought kellerbiers were probably just pilsner malt? I think the devil is in the mash schedule details. Decoctions, different temperature rests and so on.

Have you homebrewed kellerbiers so far? Care to share a recipe?

 
KimJohansen
beers 10511 º places 13 º 06:01 Sun 11/22/2015

I’ve heard that the Mahr’s is a mix of Munich and Pilsner malt. The 20 EBC is probably due to a decoction mash.

Hops should be Northern Brewer and Hallertauer Tradition.

 
KimJohansen
beers 10511 º places 13 º 06:04 Sun 11/22/2015

Originally posted by JulienHuxley
Aye! Interested in this as well. I thought kellerbiers were probably just pilsner malt? I think the devil is in the mash schedule details. Decoctions, different temperature rests and so on.

Have you homebrewed kellerbiers so far? Care to share a recipe?


Did one this summer:

72% Pilsner
19% Pale Ale
9% Cara Pils

Taurus as bitter hops and a mixture of Perle & Mittelfrüh as aroma additions. No dry hopping. Fermented it with Saflager 34/70

Turned out pretty good and very authentic.

 
Danko
06:14 Sun 11/22/2015

They often use pilsner and munich malts or similar, however it’s not uncommon for them to boil it for several hours which in addition to multi step decoction (as already mentioned) will result in a darker color.

You can add some melanoidin malt, but very little, if you aren’t able to do decoction.

These beers are great examples where mash hopping/first wort hopping actually does work and make a noticeable difference.

 
Erlangernick
beers 6 º places 2 º 08:44 Sun 11/22/2015

Originally posted by JulienHuxley
Aye! Interested in this as well. I thought kellerbiers were probably just pilsner malt? I think the devil is in the mash schedule details. Decoctions, different temperature rests and so on.

Have you homebrewed kellerbiers so far? Care to share a recipe?


Mahr’s Ungespundet is darker than a Pils-only grain bill would make, in any case.

 
KimJohansen
beers 10511 º places 13 º 07:33 Mon 11/23/2015

How about this one:

66% Pilsner
29% Munich
4.5% Melanoidin
0.5% Carafa Special III (for coloring)

 
KimJohansen
beers 10511 º places 13 º 07:58 Mon 11/23/2015

Btw - the late Michael Jackson wrote a piece about it:

"For the technically minded: it has an original gravity of 12.5 Plato (1050), is made from pale and Munich malts (beer color 20EBC); with a single mash at low temperatures; hopped with Northern Brewer and Hallertau Tradition (36 units of bitterness); bottom-fermented with a local yeast; and lagered for eight weeks at 0-1C."

http://beerhunter.com/documents/19133-000275.html

So no decoction and probably mashed around 64 - 65 C

 
JulienHuxley
beers 6219 º places 450 º 08:55 Mon 11/23/2015

Originally posted by KimJohansen
Btw - the late Michael Jackson wrote a piece about it:

"For the technically minded: it has an original gravity of 12.5 Plato (1050), is made from pale and Munich malts (beer color 20EBC); with a single mash at low temperatures; hopped with Northern Brewer and Hallertau Tradition (36 units of bitterness); bottom-fermented with a local yeast; and lagered for eight weeks at 0-1C."

http://beerhunter.com/documents/19133-000275.html

So no decoction and probably mashed around 64 - 65 C


Going to take a stab at this as soon as I get a new fermentation fridge.

 
KimJohansen
beers 10511 º places 13 º 09:00 Mon 11/23/2015

I would probably go a bit higher on the bitterness. 36 seems to low compared to my experiences.

 
ekstedt
beers 7884 º places 350 º 09:23 Mon 11/23/2015

Originally posted by KimJohansen
I would probably go a bit higher on the bitterness. 36 seems to low compared to my experiences.


I think 36 IBU would be quite correct, but since most homebrewers overestimate their IBU numbers by a wide margin, aiming for estimated 45-50 IBU might be a good idea.

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