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Message TheBeerSommelier 11:59 Fri 6/26/2009 Originally posted by durhambeer Some interesting things to note about conversations such as this: 1) Sometimes folks seem to be upset at the notion that others are offended (despite the fact that being offended is subjective and a right as much as free speech is) 2) Sometimes folks seem to make the assumption that just because people are offended, they seem to be calling for censorship (Some posters on this thread defend free speech as if someone has called for the labels to be banned, but as far as I can tell no one has said that yet). Why can’t free speech and the right to be offended live comfortably together? The brewery has the right to make the label. People have the right to be offended about it. End of story, no? +1. Evelyn Beatrice Hall: "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Offended? Yes. Willing to censor? Absolutely not. As Aaron said, given sufficient quantity disgusted potential consumers, the label will effectively censor itself.
Message Soonah beers 1120 º places 2 º 12:16 Fri 6/26/2009 Originally posted by TheBeerSommelier Originally posted by durhambeer Some interesting things to note about conversations such as this: 1) Sometimes folks seem to be upset at the notion that others are offended (despite the fact that being offended is subjective and a right as much as free speech is) 2) Sometimes folks seem to make the assumption that just because people are offended, they seem to be calling for censorship (Some posters on this thread defend free speech as if someone has called for the labels to be banned, but as far as I can tell no one has said that yet). Why can’t free speech and the right to be offended live comfortably together? The brewery has the right to make the label. People have the right to be offended about it. End of story, no? +1. Evelyn Beatrice Hall: "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Offended? Yes. Willing to censor? Absolutely not. As Aaron said, given sufficient quantity disgusted potential consumers, the label will effectively censor itself. I’ll point out that I don’t think it should be censored, I’m merely making the argument that profiteering off of Hitler’s likeness is in fact offensive to many people. There are those who merely shrug their shoulders and say, "So what?" to the use of Der Fuhrer’s visage. They’re probably the ones who sat in the back and slept during history class.
Message TimE P beers 8459 º places 409 º 12:19 Fri 6/26/2009 Originally posted by pivnizub I had never expected, that this damned Hitler is still so important for intelligent and tolerant people, that they discuss endlessly about his cartoon on a beer bottle! So what you are saying is controversial topics and controversial subjects should not be discussed? This is exactly the type of thing that should be discussed and brought into the open. If the view is this is freedom of speech, surely others must realize this notion will be openly challenged, just like any controversial freedom of speech issue. Tim

Message after4ever P admin beers 8025 º places 322 º 12:33 Fri 6/26/2009 Originally posted by durhambeer 2) Sometimes folks seem to make the assumption that just because people are offended, they seem to be calling for censorship (Some posters on this thread defend free speech as if someone has called for the labels to be banned, but as far as I can tell no one has said that yet). Because there are so many unqualified statements on forums like the internet, it’s good to try to balance them by speaking from the other side. If 25 people all say how wrong they think something is, it’s perfectly legitimate to point out on what grounds that something has the right to be so wrong. It doesn’t necessarily mean you’ve misread the statements, or intentions, of the 25 critics.
Message Marko P admin beers 18083 º places 882 º 12:44 Fri 6/26/2009 Originally posted by shrubber85 So why would you call a beer Tia Loca (crazy aunt??) and then use Hitler on the label? I can’t fathom a connection. Well, crazy’s a given, aunt, can’t 100% sure but for example here that can be used as a somewhat derogatory yet relatively neutral term for someone who’s gay or acting feminised.
Message MuertosPorter beers 24 º places 1 º 12:55 Fri 6/26/2009 I would like to hear the opinion of Christian Skovdal Andersen. Christian: What message are you trying to convey by using the image? Why would you chose the image to represent your product? Do you see any repercussions in the use of the image?
Message shrubber85 P admin beers 15125 º places 448 º 13:36 Fri 6/26/2009 Originally posted by Doggythedog Originally posted by shrubber85 So why would you call a beer Tia Loca (crazy aunt??) and then use Hitler on the label? I can’t fathom a connection. Well, crazy’s a given, aunt, can’t 100% sure but for example here that can be used as a somewhat derogatory yet relatively neutral term for someone who’s gay or acting feminised. Seems reasonable but I wonder why in Spanish? Why not Verrückte Tante? My wild guess would be that it’s a derogatory name the Spanish Republicans (or Nationalists for that matter) called Hitler but that still wouldn’t explain the connection to a Belgian-German wheat beer. One more question to ask Christian.

Message Papsoe P beers 25039 º places 4 º 13:54 Fri 6/26/2009 Originally posted by shrubber85 Originally posted by Doggythedog Originally posted by shrubber85 So why would you call a beer Tia Loca (crazy aunt??) and then use Hitler on the label? I can’t fathom a connection. Well, crazy’s a given, aunt, can’t 100% sure but for example here that can be used as a somewhat derogatory yet relatively neutral term for someone who’s gay or acting feminised. Seems reasonable but I wonder why in Spanish? Why not Verrückte Tante? My wild guess would be that it’s a derogatory name the Spanish Republicans (or Nationalists for that matter) called Hitler but that still wouldn’t explain the connection to a Belgian-German wheat beer. One more question to ask Christian. Here’s the explanation to the name: http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=da&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fbeerticker.dk%2Fny-oel-beer-here-tia-loca-3117%2F&sl=da&tl=en&history_state0= More: http://www.beerhere.dk/beers.aspx
Message Papsoe P beers 25039 º places 4 º 14:00 Fri 6/26/2009 Christian always had a thing about Hitler. Remember his old avatar?: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=-3&id=690374629#/photo.php?pid=343955&id=690374629 Anyways, I somehow believe that he’s quite amused by all the controversy. He has logged in today, so I’m sure he’ll finally call in here.
Message JorisPPattyn P admin beers 14405 º places 93 º 14:16 Fri 6/26/2009 Originally posted by Papsoe Christian always had a thing about Hitler. Remember his old avatar?: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=-3&id=690374629#/photo.php?pid=343955&id=690374629 Anyways, I somehow believe that he’s quite amused by all the controversy. He has logged in today, so I’m sure he’ll finally call in here. One of the links (to beerhere.dk) doesn’t seem to work. But one little aspect seems to be overlooked, so far. I’m interested to see how amused the inheritors of Hergé are going to be...